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Old 10-03-2014, 09:15 PM
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I would say you've received some good advice...but... If you don't have any other flight instruments other than the D10A, then using that as your CDI and flight instruments is a very poor choice - you remove your flight instruments to view the CDI, which is a terrible combinatuon for IFR in IMC (high or low) of any sort. At a minimum get a 2nd attitude indicator of some sort (D6/1/2/miniGRT).

Just my 2 cents as usual....but I know (or knew) just as many folks who died whilst "high" in the muck as were "low".

That said, the SL30 and D10A are a good foundation, just not usable entirely on their own IMHO.

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Old 10-03-2014, 09:27 PM
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I would say you've received some good advice...but... If you don't have any other flight instruments other than the D10A, then using that as your CDI and flight instruments is a very poor choice - you remove your flight instruments to view the CDI, which is a terrible combinatuon for IFR in IMC (high or low) of any sort. At a minimum get a 2nd attitude indicator of some sort (D6/1/2/miniGRT).

Just my 2 cents as usual....but I know (or knew) just as many folks who died whilst "high" in the muck as were "low".

That said, the SL30 and D10A are a good foundation, just not usable entirely on their own IMHO.

Cheers,
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VERY good advice. For the above reasons I would seriously consider not using your D10A as your CDI.

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My point was that the D10A already has a CDI and Glideslope presentation built in. You wouldn't need a separate CDI.

To paraphrase from the User Guide: When the EFIS-D10A is receiving CDI or glideslope information from a NAV radio, that info can be displayed on the main EFIS display as well as the on the full HSI page.
But, as Stein has already indicated, if you display the CDI on the D10A you can not display your primary flight instruments. It is either one or the other. A VERY bad situation, to be in IMC without any flight instruments.

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You could look into the Val INS-429 which is an all-in-one unit, http://www.valavionics.com/ins-429.html, about $1800

Chris
I have a VAL INS-429 and it works very well. An "all-in-one" (VOR, LOC, ILS, MB) IFR unit that can even display external data if you ever want. It will compliment your D10A very well.


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Old 10-03-2014, 11:16 PM
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I just happen to have one fresh from getting the firmware upgrades to make it fully SL-30 compatible. It has never been installed and comes with harness made by Val. About as close to plug and play as you can get.
What do you want for it?

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Old 10-04-2014, 05:19 AM
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Reconsider. Since VOR's and ILS's are going out, I'd really consider taking the plunge for an RNAV capable GPS that can shoot LPV approaches, like a good used 430W.

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Old 10-04-2014, 05:38 AM
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Reconsider. Since VOR's and ILS's are going out, I'd really consider taking the plunge for an RNAV capable GPS that can shoot LPV approaches, like a good used 430W.

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...agree completely. The ready availability of the WAAS GPS technology for instrument flying has simplified and made more precise the whole IFR flying/approach process and reliability. When I am needing to fly an approach to get into an airport, I always choose the WAAS RNAV/GPS approach over an ILS.
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Old 10-04-2014, 08:55 AM
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What about using the SL30 plus a GNS 400W? The 400W is considerably less cost than the 430W so it might make sense if you already have the SL30. That is my situation and the direction I will probably go to enable IFR training.

Can anybody share reasons not to go this route for best bang for the buck if you already have the SL30?
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Old 10-04-2014, 09:16 AM
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What about using the SL30 plus a GNS 400W? The 400W is considerably less cost than the 430W so it might make sense if you already have the SL30. That is my situation and the direction I will probably go to enable IFR training.

Can anybody share reasons not to go this route for best bang for the buck if you already have the SL30?
The GNS400 is not ADS-B compatible so by 2020 you will have to upgrade ($$$) again.

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Old 10-04-2014, 09:54 AM
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To paraphrase from the User Guide: When the EFIS-D10A is receiving CDI or glideslope information from a NAV radio, that info can be displayed on the main EFIS display as well as the on the full HSI page.
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But, as Stein has already indicated, if you display the CDI on the D10A you can not display your primary flight instruments. It is either one or the other. A VERY bad situation, to be in IMC without any flight instruments.
I have a D10A but only a Garmin GPS feeding it. But I think @koupster is saying that if you have a Nav Radio source, that the CDI or Glideslope can be displayed on the main EFIS display too... ie. alongside your primary flight info. Perhaps someone with a D10A/SL30 setup can confirm.
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Old 10-04-2014, 09:57 AM
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I was looking for a cheaper way to be IFR capable also. I was trying to find a used IFR gps. Watching ebay, barnstormers, and sent emails to 21 avionics shops asking for prices of a used or new IFR gps. A couple of the avionics shops told me that, in their opinion, most of the used stuff was too expensive on ebay and I could find a better deal somewhere else. Ended up buying a new 400W from Stein. It was cheaper than the used 400Ws on ebay and about $600-$700 higher than a non-W. It was cheap enough that I called and verified the price because I thought they quoted it wrong. I am still building so I haven't installed it yet. I am also putting a VOR antenna in my wingtip now so I can add that later (probably a VAL). I may not ever use it for real IFR but since I have my instrument rating it would be nice to be able to practice and keep current. Just my 2 cents.

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Old 10-04-2014, 11:07 AM
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The GNS400 is not ADS-B compatible so by 2020 you will have to upgrade ($$$) again.

The 400 is not 2020 adsb compliant, but the 400W is (may need a software upgrade).
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