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09-22-2014, 10:03 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Houston, TX
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Originally Posted by flightlogic
I teach in tail draggers and have flown them from Luscombe to B-17 G model. Landings are fun....
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Ugh, the B-17G, my current landing nemesis. I'm a newbie copilot on a CAF B-17 with a whopping 8+ hours and 8 landings under my belt; the current wisdom is to do 3 point landings in it and I just don't have the feel yet. With 1400 tailwheel hours, I can 3 point Citabrias, Cubs and RV-4s, plus wheel land an RV-8, T-6, L18 Lodestar all day long... but to 3 point the B-17, ugh, it's embarrassing. But I digress...
To the original poster I have one word; practice! What Luddite42 said in post #8 seems right on the money to me.
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09-22-2014, 10:53 AM
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Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Edgewater, FL. KSFB
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I guess I should have kept quiet rather than adding to the debate.
Now I feel like I need to defend my comment 
My thoughts were that Andy is a low time TW pilot and he is three point landing his RV7 with some level of frustration. I was only offering an alternative with the wheel landing. I also believe that we should all perfect (if that is possible) all types of landings or flying.
Scott, I did not know the RV three point landing was not a full stall. Probably why my un-perfected three point landings are very tail low. I assume this means I should let it settle before the stall while in a three point attitude?
Go have fun with it Andy as it is all fun.
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09-22-2014, 11:14 AM
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Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Lake Havasu City AZ
Posts: 2,393
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Landing
I think the vast majority of problems landing airplanes where one can see at least some of the runway straight ahead is that people get their focus locked in on the runway straight ahead. Spend 75% of the time in the flare looking to the side at roughly a 45 degree angle and 25% looking straight ahead.
One landing in a Pitts or a Stearman will cure you of looking straight ahead. You will see a lot of sky and no runway.
If the runway is wide with a well marked centerline, practice landing with the centerline at the left wingtip.
This information is based on my conclusion the few if any will look to the right in the flare. Experienced biplane pilots will look both ways but not just to the right.
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09-22-2014, 11:19 AM
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Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Lake Havasu City AZ
Posts: 2,393
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Landing
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Originally Posted by jbDC9
Ugh, the B-17G, my current landing nemesis. I'm a newbie copilot on a CAF B-17 with a whopping 8+ hours and 8 landings under my belt; the current wisdom is to do 3 point landings in it and I just don't have the feel yet. With 1400 tailwheel hours, I can 3 point Citabrias, Cubs and RV-4s, plus wheel land an RV-8, T-6, L18 Lodestar all day long... but to 3 point the B-17, ugh, it's embarrassing. But I digress...
To the original poster I have one word; practice! What Luddite42 said in post #8 seems right on the money to me.
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I am surprised about the B17. The consensus of most DC3 pilots is that three point is not a good idea. Tail low wheel landings in the DC3. Same for me with the Beech 18.
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09-22-2014, 12:21 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Elizabethtown, NC 28337
Posts: 81
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RV-7 Landing
I think you are carrying too much speed on approach. My 7A works a lot better if approach is about 70 K with around 60K on short final. Go up and check IAS stall speed at safe altitude. You do not need more that about 10K above stall on short final. Makes the landing much more easy and ground roll less as well. Try it. You will like it. 
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09-22-2014, 12:49 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Savannah, GA
Posts: 1,029
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Originally Posted by gclark
I think you are carrying too much speed on approach. My 7A works a lot better if approach is about 70 K with around 60K on short final. Go up and check IAS stall speed at safe altitude. You do not need more that about 10K above stall on short final. Makes the landing much more easy and ground roll less as well. Try it. You will like it. 
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OP specified 80 MPH... which is pretty much 70kt. That squares with the speeds I use in the -6, holding 70kt until starting the flare.
Personally I've found wheel landings much easier.
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09-22-2014, 01:37 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Newport, TN
Posts: 7,496
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This year I discovered wheel landings and have been hooked ever since. Working on my skill to shorten em however but I still like em! Much less issues with skipping and bouncing!
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09-22-2014, 02:10 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Camas, WA
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Look farther down the runway? it will fix itself... 
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09-22-2014, 04:10 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Lake Havasu City AZ
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Runway
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Originally Posted by Dmadd
Look farther down the runway? it will fix itself... 
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A terrible idea. What if the runway is not level, but a series of hills and valleys. You want part of your focus to be close to the airplane in this case.
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09-22-2014, 04:57 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: boynton beach fl
Posts: 210
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look to the side a bit
I think we all have had the same problem but once you get your sight pic figured out you will be fine. take a glance lower left and look at the runway. just a quick glance will let you know more about your flair than you hunting for the runway. JRS has it right, I know it seems scary but take your eyes and glance to the runway. Once you start doing that your mind will adjust and your landings will improve. Good luck and have fun. Then on to wheel landings....
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