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Old 09-18-2014, 08:28 AM
Devious Rhesus Devious Rhesus is offline
 
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Howdy all! I'm at the point where I want to order my tools, and the pricing between all the shops I've looked at seems to be pretty consistent. I decided though to go with the Cleaveland Tool set though, since their hand squeezer seems to be the best, and the quality of clekos is supposedly superior.

For an RV14, what would you swap out, delete, or add? Cost really isn't an issue for good tools, but I think I've decided against the pneumatic squeezer and DRDT-2: I just think I'll have more fun hand squeezing and have had no issues with a normal C-frame!
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Old 09-18-2014, 08:43 AM
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...but I think I've decided against the pneumatic squeezer...
I'm finishing my build and I don't think I've used my hand rivet squeezer in over a year. I always see if I can use the pneumatic first and then go for the rivet gun and bucking bar if I can't. I dare you to use the pneumatic for a month or two and then give it up .
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Old 09-18-2014, 08:56 AM
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What I did for my RV10 was to call them up and let them know what I was building, what tools I already had, and what they would recommend.

They came up with a great package for me, and had me on my way. No matter how complete your initial kit is, you'll be ordering more tools as time goes on!
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Old 09-18-2014, 09:19 AM
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Welcome Michael
Cleveland is awesome. Avery is also.
From the list, you will use everything.
+1 on the pneumatic but you can always buy it later
I would consider a few tools to add.
Longeron Yoke
Two more microstop countersinks
A lot more 3/32" clekos
Tank and substructure dies ( maybe)
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Old 09-18-2014, 10:57 AM
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What I did for my RV10 was to call them up and let them know what I was building, what tools I already had, and what they would recommend.

They came up with a great package for me, and had me on my way. No matter how complete your initial kit is, you'll be ordering more tools as time goes on!
That's a good idea! I'll write them an email and send them the tool list from the plans.

In another thread, someone said the following:

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I like the notched cages (haven't tried the non-notched ones) and recommend replacing the three-fluted countersink cutters with the single-flute ones, which don't chatter. You can get them with pilots.
This kit comes with the three-fluted countersinks. Any truth to them "chattering?" (whatever the heck that means...)

Also, interesting to see ringing endorsements for the pneumatic squeezer! Do ya'll think the quality of rivets is improved by this tool?
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Old 09-18-2014, 11:07 AM
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Be sure to compare the pneumatic squeezer to the "main squeeze", and not any other regular squeezer. The main squeeze is different, and I would suspect the differential is not as great.

I too am curious about the 1 flute vs. 3 flute thing, and what is chatter?

Thanks for the thread, I've been pondering the same questions myself!
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Old 09-18-2014, 12:30 PM
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I recently ordered from Cleavland.

Nice folks. Give em a call.

So far the only thing I should have done differently is to upgrade to the notched (the more expensive) microstop and the single flute/hole countersinks. In fact I'm going to go ahead and order them.

If you don't have it already get their catalogue. I found it better than the online one.
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Old 09-18-2014, 12:46 PM
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I purchased my tools used from a former builder, and it was the avery toolkit however I have purchased quite a few things from Mike at Cleaveland. They are great folks.

So far on the RV14, depending on how you decide to rivet the top wing skins, you may want to consider the BB46 Back Riveting bar and an extended 12" back rivet set (RSB12). I did the center portions of the top skins this way. If you have a more capable helper then you may want to just use the conventional tools that are in the kit and have someone hold the gun while you hold the bar in which case you won't need those two.

The toolkits they have currently are very well thought out in my opinion. You end up using almost everything.

On the subject of dies, I have gone back to using just the regular dimple dies (Cleaveland as well) rather than the substructure or tank dies.
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Old 09-18-2014, 03:28 PM
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I don't know that the pneumatic set rivets are any better. Many airplanes were and are built without one. I know I love mine and very quickly learned to feather the trigger so it is very easy to control. It's also easy to screw up.

Get single flute cutters. One each size up to #8
The other chatter. When they chatter the hole gets multiple cuts resulting in a rough countersink. The single flute cutters don't chatter.
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Old 09-18-2014, 05:20 PM
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I don't know that the pneumatic set rivets are any better. Many airplanes were and are built without one. I know I love mine and very quickly learned to feather the trigger so it is very easy to control. It's also easy to screw up.

Get single flute cutters. One each size up to #8
The other chatter. When they chatter the hole gets multiple cuts resulting in a rough countersink. The single flute cutters don't chatter.
Two or three flute countersink cutters will not chatter if they are turned at the correct speed and the correct feed pressure is used. We never use single flute cutters at work, although I have used them in the past.

I like a pneumatic squeezers just as much as the next guy,and they are necessary when working on heavy aircraft. You have to be very careful to not damage light structure while using them. I have a Tatco hand squeezer and use it for everything on my RV.
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