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08-08-2014, 11:43 AM
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Easy ADS-B Weather Question
Do you only receive METARs and TAFs from within the ground transmitter circle you are flying in? If you are flying in Montana for example, could you see METARs in Western Washington? (I'm guessing not?)
From the pictures I've seen it looks like you can get multiple states, or maybe even nationwide radar, but I'm not sure about METARs and such.
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Last edited by boom3 : 08-08-2014 at 11:56 AM.
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08-08-2014, 11:50 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by boom3
Do you only receive METARs and TAFs from within the ground transmitter circle you are flying in? If you are flying in Montana for example, could you see METARs in Western Washington. (I'm guessing not?)
From the pictures I've seen it looks like you can get multiple states, or maybe even nationwide radar, but I'm not sure about METARs and such.
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You can see METARs and TAFs for any facility that has them in the US. I used them quite a bit on the trip to OSH last week. It depends on what device you are viewing them on how easy they are to get to and view.
One of the demos I do to impress folks that haven't flown before is to pull up the map of the continental US and show them where the significant weather may be.
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08-08-2014, 01:14 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2011
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IIRC you get everything, except the NEXRAD radar images are at lower resolution beyond some (300nm?) distance.
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08-08-2014, 01:15 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Woodinville, WA
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It's actually a bit more complex.
There are multiple ground tower types. The METARS and TAFS are broadcast only for areas around the towers in different ways:
Surface stations broadcast:
Winds and temperature aloft within a range of 500 NM
Regional NEXRAD within a range of 150 NM
METARs, TAFs, SIGMET, and NOTAM within a range of 100 NM
Low altitude stations broadcast:
Winds and temperature aloft within a range of 500 NM
METARs, TAFs, AIRMET, SIGMET, PIREP, and SUA within a range of 250 NM
Regional NEXRAD within a range of 150 NM (no CONUS NEXRAD is broadcast from low altitude stations)
NOTAM within a range of 100 NM
Medium altitude stations broadcast:
Entire CONUS NEXRAD
Winds and temperature aloft within a range of 750 NM
METARs, TAFs, AIRMET, SIGMET, PIREP, and SUA within a range of 375 NM
Regional NEXRAD within a range of 200 NM
NOTAM within a range of 100 NM
High altitude stations broadcast:
Entire CONUS NEXRAD
Winds and temperature aloft and all 158 CONUS Class B/C airport METAR/TAF within a range of 1000 NM
AIRMET, SIGMET, PIREP, and SUA within a range of 500 NM
Regional NEXRAD within a range of 250 NM
NOTAM within a range of 100 NM
The thing to know is that once you are up in cruise, you almost always have a Medium and High altitude station in view, so you get Class B/C for 1000NM, and all METAR/TAF for 375NM.
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08-08-2014, 01:38 PM
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Wow! I had no idea it was this complicated. Where would you find a map showing what station types are available where?
Perhaps the thread title should be "not so simple..."
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08-08-2014, 01:51 PM
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"...METAR/TAF within 375 NM...." This is why I still like my weather to come from the satellites overhead. When I am really doing strategic planning, I like to know what is going on at my destination, and in an RV, that can be LOTS farther away than 375 NM at the start of a leg.....
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08-08-2014, 01:56 PM
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The FAA does not publish the exact locations nor tower types for the various ADS-B locations.
The general idea is that the system is organized so that once you are up high enough to be going somewhere, you have coverage of a high altitude and a medium altitude tower. The real reason they have all these tower types is to optimize bandwidth use while still getting great traffic and local weather coverage down low.
So there's a technical answer that the system is complex, but the real user story is "it just works" as evidenced by the users in this thread thinking they got coverage of everything all the time.
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08-08-2014, 02:10 PM
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Thanks Dynon for the information. That's a little more what I envisioned although I had no idea it was that complex.
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Sumner, WA
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08-08-2014, 02:21 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2006
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High altitude stations broadcast:
Entire CONUS NEXRAD
Winds and temperature aloft and all 158 CONUS Class B/C airport METAR/TAF within a range of 1000 NM
AIRMET, SIGMET, PIREP, and SUA within a range of 500 NM
Regional NEXRAD within a range of 250 NM
NOTAM within a range of 100 NM
That's gotta be a fair amount of data. Any idea how often it's transmitted? Probably nothing compared to an HD Youtube video or anything but still.
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Sumner, WA
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08-08-2014, 02:35 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2005
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The AIM actually covers all of this info. Check out Chapter 7, especially tables 7-1-1 and 7-1-2.
http://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publi...m/aim0701.html
Nothing in ADS-B is nearly as fast as any internet connection. If I remember right, a high altitude tower is about 33kbit/sec, about the speed of an old-school dial-up modem.
Last edited by dynonsupport : 08-08-2014 at 02:38 PM.
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