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12-07-2006, 12:54 PM
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and people kicked off flights someone thought they were "actiing suspicious" by praying.
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In general I'd agree, but as more details emerge from the six imam incident, it appears that there was a lot more going on there than simple praying. I would not have stayed on that airplane either.
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12-07-2006, 01:43 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
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Well, I dunno, Dave. But I'm pretty sure the next terrorist attack in the U.S. isn't going to be preceded by the would-be evildoers calling a bunch of attention to themselves in the terminal ("hey, over here! We're terrorists!")
I'll bet right now there's someone...somewhere....wondering whether it'd be possible to blow up a plane with flatulence. Pretty soon we'll add "people who recently ate chili" to the list of things that aren't allowed on an airplane.
BTW, and off-topic, I LOVED your video with your helmet cam.
Last edited by LettersFromFlyoverCountry : 12-07-2006 at 01:49 PM.
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12-07-2006, 01:52 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2005
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Cheese
We used to have contests in the cockpit. It was easier to get away with it with a 3 man crew, once we went to 2 man it was harder to get away with. But then I got senior enough to fly International with a relief officer and again the fox may not be the finder. Roger Moore
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12-07-2006, 02:25 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Cedar Park, TX
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New Inspection Type at Airports
Can you imagine a day when this will be used as a tool to spot the potential "people who recently ate chilli" type of terrorist ?
http://www.break.com/index/fart_caug...ed_camera.html
Guys will find this funny - and mildy hypnotic.
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12-08-2006, 06:58 AM
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Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Atlanta, LZU
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Arsenal Tech??!!
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Originally Posted by TShort
My dad sent me that link yesterday. Funny stuff.
We had a guy here in Indy show up at the airport with body armor and a pellet gun (?) stuck in his belt : news story
T.
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Maybe no one read the article closely, but did anyone catch that the guy arrested for wearing armor and carrying a pellet gun was a senior at "Arsenal Tech"? ( http://www.s716.ips.k12.in.us/)
It just struck me as a bit odd - perhaps ironic
I don't think the name needs to be changed, but it amazes me that someone hasn't thrown a fit about a school with Arsenal in the name...
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12-08-2006, 07:46 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Garden City, Tx
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Originally Posted by N520TX
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BS - you'll notice if you look carefully the expelled "gas" was colder than room temperature (black on IR, not white), meaning it was most likely CO2, butane, or some other compressed gas. Expelled methane would be at body temperature and would appear hot (white like his arm) on the video, not cold (black).
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Built an off-plan RV9A with too much fuel and too much HP. Should drop dead any minute now.
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12-08-2006, 06:43 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Canby, Oregon
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Gases have poor heat capacity
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Originally Posted by airguy
BS - you'll notice if you look carefully the expelled "gas" was colder than room temperature (black on IR, not white), meaning it was most likely CO2, butane, or some other compressed gas. Expelled methane would be at body temperature and would appear hot (white like his arm) on the video, not cold (black).
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Naaah. Why go to so much trouble when imaging the "real thing" is so easy to do? (implanting a CO2 cartridge, valve, and misc plumbing inside a cleanroom bunny suit vs the "natural way"). Methane has very poor heat capacity - sure it's at body temperature immediately upon expulsion, but cools very rapidly to below body temp in ambient air.
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12-08-2006, 08:22 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: St. Paul, MN.
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Either way, it turns out we all look like diesel trucks in infrared.
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12-08-2006, 08:26 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Garden City, Tx
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Originally Posted by FiveNinerTIM
Naaah. Why go to so much trouble when imaging the "real thing" is so easy to do? (implanting a CO2 cartridge, valve, and misc plumbing inside a cleanroom bunny suit vs the "natural way"). Methane has very poor heat capacity - sure it's at body temperature immediately upon expulsion, but cools very rapidly to below body temp in ambient air.
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Sorry - try again. I make a good living dealing with compressed gases, with 15 years of engineering behind me. I know better.
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Built an off-plan RV9A with too much fuel and too much HP. Should drop dead any minute now.
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12-08-2006, 08:43 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: EDVK
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By golly, you're right.
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Originally Posted by Bob Collins
Well, I dunno, Dave. But I'm pretty sure the next terrorist attack in the U.S. isn't going to be preceded by the would-be evildoers calling a bunch of attention to themselves in the terminal ("hey, over here! We're terrorists!")
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Yep, probably not going to be any warning from terrorists just prior to intentionally targeting and killing the next batch of unarmed civilians.
As an aside, it might be worth noting that the six imams that were removed from the airplane were not six simple farmers who were simply travelling from point A to point B and saying a few simply prayers. These were educated clerics. The six imams clearly had an agenda. Was it making a "statement"? Was it gold-digging for a juicy civil rights violation law suit? Was it a probe to assess how much disruption would be allowed before a security intervention?
Also, the airlines don't just willy-nilly remove passengers from airplanes(I've witnessed several obnoxious, drunken, disorderly people on various commercial flights who should have been removed but were allowed to fly). Passengers get removed from an airliner only after they earn it. And they have to work pretty hard to earn it.
I must say, Bob, that I am disappointed that you would defend the actions of anyone who would intentionally disrupt a commercial flight. Oh, and if I've read too much into your statement, I apologize.
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