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View Poll Results: Should factory-built RV-12 S-LSA models be allowed to park in the homebuilt parking a
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Yes- factory built RV-12s should park with the other RVs in homebuilt parking and camping.
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No- factory built RV-12s should not park with the other RVs.
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07-06-2014, 04:10 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2010
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S-LSA's are factory built, so they don't meet the basic criterion stipulated for HBC by the Osh organisers. End of story. E-LSA's, modified or not, `professionally' built or not, are still `homebuilt' from kits and are not S-LSA's. It may be hard for the volunteers to pick the difference in some cases, but the entry rule seems simple enough.
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07-06-2014, 05:02 PM
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Isn't the easiest way to just make the HBC area bigger? If less are parked in spam can areas, there should be more room for the Homebuilt areas.
All RV's start out as a kit. Vans sends them out to be built - for Vans to sell. They are not built in the Vans factory. Im having a hard time figuring out the difference between them and RV-12 built by one person and sold to another.
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07-06-2014, 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by rockwoodrv9
All RV's start out as a kit. Vans sends them out to be built - for Vans to sell. They are not built in the Vans factory. Im having a hard time figuring out the difference between them and RV-12 built by one person and sold to another.
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True, the S-LSA 12's are not assembled in Van's factory, but the work is done under Van's supervision and in that sense they are factory built. The question was "Should factory-built RV-12 S-LSA models be allowed to park in the homebuilt parking and camping areas at Oshkosh?" Well, if it's an S-LSA then by definition it's not a homebuilt, so it seems to me that the simple answer has to be 'no', irrespective of the fact that it would be nice to see a large gathering of -12's in the same area.
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07-06-2014, 07:39 PM
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There are people on this forum that build planes for others to buy. Can they park in the HBC area? If Vans did not build it - it is not a factory built plane.
Maybe only builders who built the plane they are flying should be able to park there. No second owners, no quickbuilds. Maybe just plans built planes should qualify.
The idea of AV is to increase general aviation participation and offer a place of like minded people to associate and learn from each other. What is gained by excluding people. Are you helping the RV community or just your own ego?
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07-06-2014, 07:47 PM
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You know, a lot of things that MIGHT become problems never actually DO become problems... They run off the road long before that. So - what - 15 or so SLSAs exist? Big deal. Ignore it. So another 100 MIGHT get built? Well, think they will all come to OSH? Not likely.
Let's solve problems that actually exist...
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07-06-2014, 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by rockwoodrv9
Are you helping the RV community or just your own ego?
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The OP posed a question to the RV community to comment and vote on. All I've done is try to explain my reasoning. Nothing to do with ego, and certainly not trying to offend you or sabotage the RV community. Feel free to disagree. There are pro's and cons both ways as the OP pointed out.
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07-06-2014, 08:36 PM
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rgmwa,
Sorry for the way my post sounded. After seeing your post and re-reading mine, it read different than I intended.
There is a certain amount of "swagger" we all get from being able to tell people we built our plane. Holy c rap, it is a big deal!! I was thinking of what is better for the RV 12 and all of the RV planes. I believe including all of them will help way more than excluding the few who paid for planes that Vans had built to sell for a profit. I still think just make the area bigger and eliminate the problem.
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07-06-2014, 08:42 PM
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No apology needed, rockwood. As an RV-12 builder I'd love to see a big gaggle of -12's at Oshkosh (per live-cam in my case unfortunately), but I guess it will be up to the guys who run the show. 
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07-06-2014, 08:48 PM
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I shouldn't comment since I don't have an RV, but I'm a member and I think it would be cool if the 12's could park in either space at pilot's discretion.
There can't be THAT many of them right??
I mean, we're flying our 1964 C-180 up there for the first time this year, and if I wanted to stoop so low as to grace the North forty with my presence  say to park next to Honeck and bug him, they can't MAKE me park in VAC can they? 
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07-07-2014, 04:49 AM
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Good points by everyone on both sides, keep them coming. It pretty much mirrors the debate we've been having within our own ranks, both the volunteers and EAA staff.
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Originally Posted by rockwoodrv9
Isn't the easiest way to just make the HBC area bigger?
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That's the entire point- space is finite and we can't just make it bigger. Over the last 5 years, we've gradually expanded to the north and northwest, across the taxiway into what used to be the red auto parking lot. We can't go much further than that without displacing Warbirds from their space, and that is highly unlikely to be approved. You may recall that in 2009 we literally, for the 1st time ever, ran out of space in homebuilt and had to send a few dozen RVs down to the far, far south end of the field to park. We've expanded the parking area since then, but the fleet has also grown and we see roughly 5% growth a year in parking numbers. Even with the expanded space we have, we're maybe 5 years from saturating the current space. Then what? I put in a request a few years ago to purchase 500 "Aero-Lift" airplane hoists to plant in the parking areas. Still waiting to hear back on that...
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Originally Posted by rockwoodrv9
There are people on this forum that build planes for others to buy. Can they park in the HBC area?
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If I had my way they would not, but that's a rant for another thread. There is no practical way to police "hired guns" for this purpose; not so with S-LSA.
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