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06-25-2014, 11:58 AM
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New Advanced 5400T
I recently upgraded my Advanced 4500's to the new 5400 Touch Screens, and had occasion this morning to fly using the latest pre-release s/w. It certainly has a wow factor, and I'm hoping Rob might weigh in here with some pictures, as I was a little busy while flying to take any.
Two things I found way cool: the ability to pan and zoom off-screen. I panned all the way to Anchorage, AK and then zoomed in to see the weather there. I was curious as we are headed there next week.
The other thing was the distance-to-target in the diamonds and balls of other aircraft. They are displayed right on the EFIS in the location where you should be looking, and I had a real demonstration this morning. I had a target 12 o'clock, level, 9 miles away and coming head-on. I watched it count down the miles to 1, and then I got the warning from ATC to start an immediate left turn. I was on an IFR plan, VFR on top of a broken layer.
The High-res terrain with the towers shown almost as if real was way cool, too.
Kudos to Rob and the team at AFS!
Vic
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06-25-2014, 05:37 PM
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AF-5000 EFIS Screen Shots
Vic,
Thanks for the positive feedback, here are some screen captures from our latest software.
AF-5400 EFIS screen
New weather graphics for XM and ADS-B
Windmill graphics
New tower graphics
New color coded airport signs and traffic graphics
New Transponder touch screen interface
New mapping with selectable airspace info.
We will be having an Oshkosh special on upgrading your AF-3500 or AF-4500 screens, I am working on pricing and more information.
 We will also be introducing a new product at Oshkosh that will make wiring your aircraft extremely easy.... sorry you will have to wait until the first day of Oshkosh for more info 
Last edited by Kelsey-AFS : 06-25-2014 at 06:09 PM.
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06-25-2014, 06:40 PM
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Got mine installed
Got dual 5500T's installed but it will be a few months before they get fired up. Great photos!!
Keep us updated Vic on little tricks you discover.
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06-25-2014, 07:24 PM
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Hi Kelsey: Is there going to be any upgrade for the 3400? I missed the first one, and heard the CPU is no longer available. Thanks for any info. I do love the 3400 as is but would love to have the additional functionality! Bill Dicus
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06-26-2014, 06:11 AM
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Thanks for the update. Good Stuff!
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06-26-2014, 07:02 AM
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Curious
Beautiful screens! I do have a question about the touch screens in rough air. Out RV's tend to be a bit rough in heavy chop, and I remember one day flying into Birmingham in a 182. It was rough below 4000 after a frontal passage and 15kt winds. I had flight following IIRC and was asked to change to tower freq. Extending my arm in the heavy chop I could not hit the flip-flop button on the radio. I had to hold my had on the top of the panel and walk my way down to reach it.
How does this situation play out with the touch screens? Riding in a rental truck I can not even type a message on my iPhone on an interstate most of the time.
Have you tested this situation to address it?
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06-26-2014, 07:59 AM
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When?
When can we get the new s/w if we already have 5500/5600?
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06-26-2014, 08:07 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BillL
Beautiful screens! I do have a question about the touch screens in rough air. Out RV's tend to be a bit rough in heavy chop, and I remember one day flying into Birmingham in a 182. It was rough below 4000 after a frontal passage and 15kt winds. I had flight following IIRC and was asked to change to tower freq. Extending my arm in the heavy chop I could not hit the flip-flop button on the radio. I had to hold my had on the top of the panel and walk my way down to reach it.
How does this situation play out with the touch screens? Riding in a rental truck I can not even type a message on my iPhone on an interstate most of the time.
Have you tested this situation to address it?
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AFS didn't remove any buttons, so you have two methods of making the changes. If it gets rough, just use the buttons and knobs.
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06-26-2014, 08:51 AM
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Location: Chandler, AZ
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Not a big deal!!
Quote:
Originally Posted by BillL
Beautiful screens! I do have a question about the touch screens in rough air. Out RV's tend to be a bit rough in heavy chop, and I remember one day flying into Birmingham in a 182. It was rough below 4000 after a frontal passage and 15kt winds. I had flight following IIRC and was asked to change to tower freq. Extending my arm in the heavy chop I could not hit the flip-flop button on the radio. I had to hold my had on the top of the panel and walk my way down to reach it.
How does this situation play out with the touch screens? Riding in a rental truck I can not even type a message on my iPhone on an interstate most of the time.
Have you tested this situation to address it?
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This question always comes up. First, the AFS equipment still has all the buttons so the touch screen use is a great option. I fly mostly in AZ where we have 4G turbulence. I have flown several touch screen aircraft and can tell you it is not a big deal. If it is too turbulent for touch screen, it is like too turbulent for dials and buttons also.
Use with confidence!!!
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06-26-2014, 09:45 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BillL
Beautiful screens! I do have a question about the touch screens in rough air. Out RV's tend to be a bit rough in heavy chop, and I remember one day flying into Birmingham in a 182. It was rough below 4000 after a frontal passage and 15kt winds. I had flight following IIRC and was asked to change to tower freq. Extending my arm in the heavy chop I could not hit the flip-flop button on the radio. I had to hold my had on the top of the panel and walk my way down to reach it.
How does this situation play out with the touch screens? Riding in a rental truck I can not even type a message on my iPhone on an interstate most of the time.
Have you tested this situation to address it?
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We have a lot of real world RV flying experience, our RV-10 has almost 1000 hours on it and we have been flying it with large touch screens for a long time.
The touch screen can be an amazing improvement to an operator interface when done right and under the right conditions. Most of the time the touch screen in the RV-10 is an awesome improvement, changing maps, picking airspaces and entering transponder codes is very easy with the touch screen. When it is turbulent the touch screen can be virtually useless and I find it easier to use our standard push button interface rather than fight with the touch screen.
We recently changed the transponder touch interface to larger buttons to make it easier to use.

Notice the labels for the mechanical buttons that can still be used.
Large Map button icons make changing map screens intuitive.
It was very tempting to cut a significant amount of cost from the screen by eliminating most of the buttons and joystick when we developed the touch screen. If our engineering team had only been dreaming and building in the garage I suspect we would have chosen to cut cost. I have found that nothing convinces an engineer what really works better than putting them in a small airplane in the clouds on a turbulent day. That cool new feature that might have worked great on your desk just caused a huge amount of stress while flying in the real world.
Rob Hickman
N402RH RV-10
Advanced Flight Systems Inc.
Last edited by N402RH : 06-26-2014 at 09:53 AM.
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