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Old 06-25-2014, 08:10 AM
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Default FAA says I can't do maintenance, etc

It has taken 10 months to get my repairman certificate from the FAA. Its an interesting story but I don't have the time to write it. No none would believe it any way.
He, (faa) came to my hanger to look at my RV7. Wanting me to prove I built it on my own. He never looked at any pictures from my build log, nor did he look at the build log.
Boy could he recite the regs, word for word! He was about 30 yrs old. Was an A&P. Then he asked me if I knew what I could and couldn't do on my RV. I told him. WRONG! You can change oil, tires and clean the windshield, the repairman cert. allows you to only do the yearly conditional inspection. You can not repair anything you find wrong! Is this guy full of engine oil? putting it nicely! I told him I was taking off the propeller to try a different one, he said I couldn't. Unless I was a certified FAA approved mechanic. A&P etc.

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Old 06-25-2014, 08:13 AM
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He is very mistaken. Call his supervisor to discuss. Be polite.
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Old 06-25-2014, 08:20 AM
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Did that one guy "say" or did he put it in writing? If they issued the same repairman cert that we all have without a whole bunch of "other" paperwork, I would say you have the appropriate credentials that you were seeking and to just proceed as you know to be correct.
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Old 06-25-2014, 08:34 AM
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Which FSDO? (If ROC, please send me a PM.)

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Old 06-25-2014, 08:39 AM
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The easy peasy way to stump any FSDO inspector is to respond with "show me the FAR where it says I can't do <whatever>." and keep a copy of the FARs handy.
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Old 06-25-2014, 08:46 AM
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Not Surprising at all... Why do you think these guys work for the FAA?
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Old 06-25-2014, 08:47 AM
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Your inspector was mistaken. Read 65.104(c).

§65.103 Repairman certificate: Privileges and limitations.
(a) A certificated repairman may perform or supervise the maintenance, preventive maintenance, or alteration of aircraft or aircraft components appropriate to the job for which the repairman was employed and certificated, but only in connection with duties for the certificate holder by whom the repairman was employed and recommended.

(b) A certificated repairman may not perform or supervise duties under the repairman certificate unless the repairman understands the current instructions of the certificate holder by whom the repairman is employed and the manufacturer's instructions for continued airworthiness relating to the specific operations concerned.

(c) This section does not apply to the holder of a repairman certificate (light-sport aircraft) while that repairman is performing work under that certificate.

[Doc. No. 18241, 45 FR 46738, July 10, 1980, as amended by Amdt. 65-45, 69 FR 44879, July 27, 2004]

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§65.104 Repairman certificate—experimental aircraft builder—Eligibility, privileges and limitations.
(a) To be eligible for a repairman certificate (experimental aircraft builder), an individual must—

(1) Be at least 18 years of age;

(2) Be the primary builder of the aircraft to which the privileges of the certificate are applicable;

(3) Show to the satisfaction of the Administrator that the individual has the requisite skill to determine whether the aircraft is in a condition for safe operations; and

(4) Be a citizen of the United States or an individual citizen of a foreign country who has lawfully been admitted for permanent residence in the United States.

(b) The holder of a repairman certificate (experimental aircraft builder) may perform condition inspections on the aircraft constructed by the holder in accordance with the operating limitations of that aircraft.

(c) Section 65.103 does not apply to the holder of a repairman certificate (experimental aircraft builder) while performing under that certificate.

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Old 06-25-2014, 08:51 AM
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The easy peasy way to stump any FSDO inspector is to respond with "show me the FAR where it says I can't do <whatever>." and keep a copy of the FARs handy.
And in the context of this discussion (what work you can and can't do on you r RV-7), when he turns to FAR 43, have him first read part B of 43.1 which says...

"(b) This part does not apply to?

(1) Any aircraft for which the FAA has issued an experimental certificate, unless the FAA has previously issued a different kind of airworthiness certificate for that aircraft; or"

So, anything he would refer to in 43 (it regulates who can do what on certificated aircraft). does not apply.

Bottom line...

Anyone, can do any work (whether they should is a whole other discussion) on an aircraft with an experimental airworthiness certificate. The repairman's certificate only authorizes you to do the annual condition inspection.
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Old 06-25-2014, 08:53 AM
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Your inspector was mistaken. Read 65.104(c). however If you did not build the aircraft then you cannot legally perform maintenance other than preventive maintenance specified in FAR 43.3(g).
This is not correct.
See my previous post.
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Old 06-25-2014, 08:59 AM
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Yes....I forgot that that 43.1(b)(1) excludes all EAB aircraft for maintenance, alterations and repair.
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