VansAirForceForums  
Home > VansAirForceForums

- POSTING RULES
- Donate yearly (please).
- Advertise in here!

- Today's Posts | Insert Pics


Go Back   VAF Forums > Main > RV Ongoing Maintenance Issues
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Today's Posts

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #1  
Old 06-21-2014, 04:52 PM
scard's Avatar
scard scard is online now
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Cedar Park, TX
Posts: 3,152
Default Rudder horn wear bushing

Today's little project was to deal with the progressing wear of the rudder cable attach hole in the rudder horn. This is after about 1400 hours.



First up was to make a drill jig. The final hole in the rudder is going to have to be drilled by hand, and I'm going to "move" the hole in order to preserve what is left of edge distance. That calls for a big heavy piece of steel with a perfect hole. Yeah, we can do that. I can't imagine going back to the dark old days without a milling machine.

With the drill jig (big piece of steel with a perfect hole in it), I made up a little test piece to prove process and fit before taking the airplane out of service. Little details like, what is the actual final size of a 5/16 hole drilled by hand with THIS jig? That tells me how big to oversize the bushing for a nice low to medium force press fit.

Off to the trusty South Bend lathe with a piece of stock in the collet closer. In a jiffy I had one bushing for my test sample. Pressed in with the arbor press, yep, just the amount of force I was looking for. I cutoff six more bushings for production use. Their OD ended up within .0002 of my target. I continue to be amazed at the accuracy that I'm able to produce with this old school butt ugly machine. I intend to resolve the latter condition some day when there isn't an airplane project in the shop.



It is finally time to head to the airport and take the airplane out of service. It might be for an hour or two, or I might be completely rebuilding the rudder... The rudder was off in moments and up on the bench in the A/C office. I clamped up the drill jig EXACTLY where I wanted the final hole to land. Perfect isn't fast and deciding exactly where to place this hole takes a little soul searching as there is no good location. I use extremely high clamping force here with the "jig".





The holes are drilled with a freshly sharpened bit at too high of a speed with too light of pressure so as to keep from walking the jig toward the center of the hole. Slow and steady and you have moved the perfectly round hole. Albeit with a more dull drill bit.

The bushings pressed in exactly the same as the test coupon back in the shop. I touched up the bolt hole with a reamer. I'm very happy with the slight reduction in ID after pressing in. That tells me that I got my materials just as intended and that there is still good strength in the parent part.



Like I said, this isn't ideal. I wish Vans wouldn't pre-drill these holes and give us much more material to work with. But, this is definitely better than just waiting for the failure. I'll keep an eye on it and if need be, I'll make another horn from scratch with more meat on it. I figure that this bushing is good for another 1000hrs and I already have the replacements made. The rudder is back on the airplane and back in service.
__________________
Scott Card
CQ Headset by Card Machine Works
CMW E-Lift
RV-9A N4822C flying 2200+hrs. / Cedar Park, TX
RV8 Building - fuselage / showplanes canopy (Done!)

Last edited by scard : 06-21-2014 at 05:50 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 06-21-2014, 05:10 PM
Mike S's Avatar
Mike S Mike S is offline
Senior Curmudgeon
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Dayton Airpark, NV A34
Posts: 15,408
Default

Scott, good solution to the problem.

Nice to not only have the tools, but the skill to use them
__________________
Mike Starkey
VAF 909

Rv-10, N210LM.

Flying as of 12/4/2010

Phase 1 done, 2/4/2011

Sold after 240+ wonderful hours of flight.

"Flying the airplane is more important than radioing your plight to a person on the ground incapable of understanding or doing anything about it."
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 06-21-2014, 10:50 PM
Ironflight's Avatar
Ironflight Ironflight is offline
VAF Moderator / Line Boy
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Dayton, NV
Posts: 12,243
Default

The RV-3 plans call fopr a pushing right off the bat!

Good repair Scott - thanks for sharing.
__________________
Paul F. Dye
Editor at Large - KITPLANES Magazine
RV-8 - N188PD - "Valkyrie"
RV-6 (By Marriage) - N164MS - "Mikey"
RV-3B - N13PL - "Tsamsiyu"
A&P, EAA Tech Counselor/Flight Advisor
Dayton Valley Airpark (A34)
http://Ironflight.com
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 06-22-2014, 07:48 AM
scard's Avatar
scard scard is online now
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Cedar Park, TX
Posts: 3,152
Default

My -8 project is getting bushings today. Tanya commented yesterday that we have always said that we are trying our best to wear it out. I guess we're meeting our goal.
__________________
Scott Card
CQ Headset by Card Machine Works
CMW E-Lift
RV-9A N4822C flying 2200+hrs. / Cedar Park, TX
RV8 Building - fuselage / showplanes canopy (Done!)
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 06-22-2014, 08:01 AM
mannanj's Avatar
mannanj mannanj is offline
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Mtns of N.E. Georgia
Posts: 1,322
Default Rudder Horn

Another way to "skin this cat", is to buy some steel flat stock 1/2in. wide X 1/8th thick from your local Ace or Lowes Depot. Cut it length-wise about 1.5 in. longer than the rudder horn. Determine correct hole sizes and drill 4 holes; two that fit the present holes in the rudder horn and one forward and one aft of the horn. Bolt the steel strip to the horn using the already present holes in the rudder horn. Attatch the rudder cable clevis to the forward hole and the rudder springs to the aft hole of the steel strip. Do this for both sides. Might have to adjust tail wheel springs a bit.

Hope this makes sense! Don't have any pics

The strip is sacraficial so if it ever wears out, replace it with another. No danger of ever ruining your aluminum rudder horn.
__________________
LAUS DEO
Mannan J.Thomason, MSGT. USAF (RET)
VAF788
"Bucket List" checkoff in progress!
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 06-22-2014, 09:04 AM
Mike S's Avatar
Mike S Mike S is offline
Senior Curmudgeon
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Dayton Airpark, NV A34
Posts: 15,408
Default

Mannan, elegant solution
__________________
Mike Starkey
VAF 909

Rv-10, N210LM.

Flying as of 12/4/2010

Phase 1 done, 2/4/2011

Sold after 240+ wonderful hours of flight.

"Flying the airplane is more important than radioing your plight to a person on the ground incapable of understanding or doing anything about it."
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 06-23-2014, 08:45 AM
JonJay's Avatar
JonJay JonJay is offline
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Battleground
Posts: 4,348
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by mannanj View Post
Another way to "skin this cat", is to buy some steel flat stock 1/2in. wide X 1/8th thick from your local Ace or Lowes Depot. Cut it length-wise about 1.5 in. longer than the rudder horn. Determine correct hole sizes and drill 4 holes; two that fit the present holes in the rudder horn and one forward and one aft of the horn. Bolt the steel strip to the horn using the already present holes in the rudder horn. Attatch the rudder cable clevis to the forward hole and the rudder springs to the aft hole of the steel strip. Do this for both sides. Might have to adjust tail wheel springs a bit.

Hope this makes sense! Don't have any pics

The strip is sacraficial so if it ever wears out, replace it with another. No danger of ever ruining your aluminum rudder horn.
I would be concerned having steel bolt wearing on a steel plate. The mild steel plate will certainly wear faster, but the bolts would see more wear than if a bronze busing was used. I would remove your bolts at every CI if I was to use this approach.
I remove my bolts every once in a while and have found no visible signs of wear from the stock aluminum. I am sure bushings are in my future, but with more than 600 hours, thus far, the wear is not discernible on the arm, or bolt.
__________________
Smart People do Stupid things all the time. I know, I've seen me do'em.

RV6 - Builder/Flying
Bucker Jungmann
Fiat G.46 -(restoration in progress, if I have enough life left in me)
RV1 - Proud Pilot.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 06-23-2014, 08:50 AM
Vlad's Avatar
Vlad Vlad is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Utah
Posts: 8,144
Default

Hey Scott can you cut two pieces for me? I am almost at 22C wear. I can even come to pick them up...


Added: .... And two for 215TK as well.
__________________
Where is N666BK?

Не имей сто рублей, а имей сто друзей.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 06-23-2014, 09:52 AM
scard's Avatar
scard scard is online now
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Cedar Park, TX
Posts: 3,152
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Vlad View Post
Hey Scott can you cut two pieces for me? I am almost at 22C wear. I can even come to pick them up...


Added: .... And two for 215TK as well.
Vlad and others, I only made the bushings myself because I could. It is a very standard part. Look on McMaster for a bushing with ID 3/16, OD 5/16 (or 1/4 if that is your preference). They'll probably be 1/4 long, so you'll have to cut them down. Mine were .0007 oversize of the final hole that they were pressed into.
__________________
Scott Card
CQ Headset by Card Machine Works
CMW E-Lift
RV-9A N4822C flying 2200+hrs. / Cedar Park, TX
RV8 Building - fuselage / showplanes canopy (Done!)
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 06-23-2014, 10:09 AM
Vlad's Avatar
Vlad Vlad is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Utah
Posts: 8,144
Default

Is it that simple? An order in order
__________________
Where is N666BK?

Не имей сто рублей, а имей сто друзей.
Reply With Quote
Reply



Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 11:57 AM.


The VAFForums come to you courtesy Delta Romeo, LLC. By viewing and participating in them you agree to build your plane using standardized methods and practices and to fly it safely and in accordance with the laws governing the country you are located in.