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06-18-2014, 11:10 AM
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Join Date: Mar 2010
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Originally Posted by Fred.Stucklen
My all time high crosswind landing was done in a large rudder RV-6A at Key West nearly 9 years ago. I was on a GPS 27 approach in the dark, in the rain with about an 800' overcast. The winds were 48KG54 90* across the runway. The landing approach was at least a 30* crab, but the landing was straight due to a burst of power and a full left rudder deflection just before a full stall flare. The landing was a definite plop, but straight with no bounce.
It's all about technique with these kinds of winds. If you aren't comfortable with this level of cross winds, then don't fly in them!
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Tricycle land-o-matic 6A gear is irrelevant to the OP's question. However, as I've responded before, some things don't add up in this story of yours that you've told before. First, you would have much more than 30 degrees of crab in this much wind, unless you were approaching around 98KT, which would take a whole lot of slowing down to reach the "full stall flare". I fail to understand how you could have been at the "stall point" in a 48-54 KT direct x-wind when even if you were crabbed 90 degrees to the runway, aligned directly into the wind at the "stall point" (43 KTS for a 6A), you would be flying backwards across the runway. The airplane would not be tracking the runway. I think the description of your touchdown speed, the wind speed, and direction (or all of the above) are quite a bit off.
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06-18-2014, 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by luddite42
Tricycle land-o-matic 6A gear is irrelevant to the OP's question. However, as I've responded before, some things don't add up in this story of yours that you've told before. First, you would have much more than 30 degrees of crab in this much wind, unless you were approaching around 98KT, which would take a whole lot of slowing down to reach the "full stall flare". I fail to understand how you could have been at the "stall point" in a 48-54 KT direct x-wind when even if you were crabbed 90 degrees to the runway, aligned directly into the wind at the "stall point" (43 KTS for a 6A), you would be flying backwards across the runway. The airplane would not be tracking the runway. I think the description of your touchdown speed, the wind speed, and direction (or all of the above) are quite a bit off.
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06-18-2014, 01:37 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2006
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RV-6A Cross Wind Landings
And as I said before, you had to be there to see it (and there were people there to see it, so it's not imaginary). I certainly can't remember all the definitive details after almost nine years, but it did happen. And I very distinctly remember the ATIS report on final. And I did land..... So call it what you want...... I'm sure not going to get into a p*ssing match about it....
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Originally Posted by luddite42
Tricycle land-o-matic 6A gear is irrelevant to the OP's question. However, as I've responded before, some things don't add up in this story of yours that you've told before. First, you would have much more than 30 degrees of crab in this much wind, unless you were approaching around 98KT, which would take a whole lot of slowing down to reach the "full stall flare". I fail to understand how you could have been at the "stall point" in a 48-54 KT direct x-wind when even if you were crabbed 90 degrees to the runway, aligned directly into the wind at the "stall point" (43 KTS for a 6A), you would be flying backwards across the runway. The airplane would not be tracking the runway. I think the description of your touchdown speed, the wind speed, and direction (or all of the above) are quite a bit off.
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06-18-2014, 02:23 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Prather, CA
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Originally Posted by Sam Buchanan
the RV-6 is quite the handful.....and the landing can be a bit noisy.... 
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Screaming?
Is the noise from the screaming? 
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06-18-2014, 02:33 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2007
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I remember the crosswinds capability on my Piper Tomahawk was rated at 15kts. I trained in another Tomahawk. Of course, they are tricycle gear, but in the right hands, still obviously they were being very conservative with that figure.
During my training one day, I thought for sure my flight would be cancelled, because it was very cloudy, but still met VFR minimum?s. But the winds were 30kt with gusts to 35, and possibly even higher. These were direct crosswinds from the runway too. I did not want to go, was a bit skeered, and was starting to question my instructors sanity. But my instructor (Tom Pappas) thought this would be a good time for me to get into some good crosswinds training and showing me how the plane handled. I tried my best to get out of it, but he would have none of it.
I never have been bounced around so much since that flight, but my instructor, still calm and confident, not cocky, takes over, and says I know what the book says, but let me show you how this plane can do a touch and go in these crosswinds. He had the wing banked a good 30 degrees or so into the wind-- surprised the wingtip didn?t hit the ground--and what seemed like most of the opposite rudder used up, but yet, he came down one wheel at a time, put the nose wheel down too, rode the runway nearly the entire length keeping it straight as an arrow the whole time, before taking off again. Next go around he also landed on the same runway, and came to a complete stop. To this day, I?m still puzzled how he did this. I wish we had gopro cameras then, I?d given anything to have recorded that flight.
I'm sure taildraggers are tougher, but I have no doubt there are a few that can far exceed what the plane is supposedly capable of doing. I'm just not one of them. 
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06-18-2014, 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Fred.Stucklen
And as I said before, you had to be there to see it (and there were people there to see it, so it's not imaginary). I certainly can't remember all the definitive details after almost nine years, but it did happen. And I very distinctly remember the ATIS report on final. And I did land..... So call it what you want...... I'm sure not going to get into a p*ssing match about it....
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May I ask how you ended up in those conditions?
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06-18-2014, 02:49 PM
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been here awhile
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Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: North Alabama
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam Buchanan
the RV-6 is quite the handful.....and the landing can be a bit noisy.... 
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Originally Posted by DougJ
Screaming?
Is the noise from the screaming? 
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The pilot is too busy to scream....but the tires may be squalling.... 
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06-18-2014, 02:53 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Mojave
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Originally Posted by luddite42
They are not 3-pointing in 30KT x-wind...
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This goes without saying...
The most "significant" crosswind adventure in my Hiperbipe took two tries and was just short of a controlled crash. I used the full width of the runway and left plenty of rubber behind before I got it stopped. I was sweating bullets when I finally got it parked.
Whether this thread turns into a "mines bigger than yours" thread or not remains to be seen, but many of us DO routinely experience 15+ knots of crosswind component.
There's a reason there's about 1000 wind turbines in my local flying area.
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06-18-2014, 08:24 PM
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RV-6A Cross wind landings
Sure... Full stop landing, and while taxing back to the FBO, what looked like an ATR72 did a go around. We (my wife was with me) got out of the plane, took the carry on bags out of the plane and put them on the pavement, only to have them blow away. My wife chased them down while I, my friend and his wife, tied down & secured the plane. While we were doing that, another (or the same one) ATR72 did another go-around. Then they closed the airport...
We spent the week in Key West (12/26/05), but it was a cold one - no swimming....
My impression of the RV-'s is that they handle cross wind components quite well, IF the proper techniques are utilized, AND the pilot is experienced and well practiced.
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Originally Posted by sailvi767
May I ask how you ended up in those conditions?
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RV-7A N924RV Flying (1825 Hrs & counting)
RV-6A N926RV 875 Hrs (Sold)
RV-6A N925RV 2008 Hrs (Sold)
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06-18-2014, 11:09 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Atlanta
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How about crosswinds in an RV 8?
Anybody got crosswind limitations for an RV 8?? 
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