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05-26-2014, 07:12 AM
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Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Dallas area
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Originally Posted by ColoRv
Wraps are interesting, but what is the lifespan compared to paint and if the plane is bare aluminum under it, I fear corrosion. Aircraft Wraps quote was within 10% of my paint quote from GLO on the same scheme so without the same lifespan I couldn't go that route. Real interested to hear what the original poster paid his local installers. I would also like to hear what the vinyl weighs. We are always given percentages versus paint but that is highly questionable practice as it assumes what the paint weight is. What is the actual weight of the vinyl process installed?
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I agree. What is the actual weight. Painting can be from below 15 lbs. to well over 30 lbs.
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05-26-2014, 07:39 AM
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Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: West Palm Beach, Florida
Posts: 167
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mel
I agree. What is the actual weight. Painting can be from below 15 lbs. to well over 30 lbs.
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I just responded in an email to this very question.
We complete an RV8 for Titan Aircraft Engines on Late Thursday. We used our new printed process instead of the “layering” on vinyl. Aircraftwraps is always searching for ways to further reduce weight. Layering brought our vinyl in at 1/2 the weight of an equivalent paint scheme. Printing promises to further slash that total. I’d rather “show” you the real number instead of simply stating it. We plan to reassemble the aircraft friday and reweigh for a final weight total. Hopefully, you’ll allow me to follow up friday-saturday with “real-world” numbers?
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05-26-2014, 12:14 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Tampa (BKV)
Posts: 926
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Half the weight of paint assuming what paint weight? What did the layering process weigh?
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05-26-2014, 01:39 PM
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Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: BC
Posts: 1,674
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pmccoy
The results look great. The cost was much less then paint, and the process was completed much faster.
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Not to mention no harsh chemicals, solvents, spray equipment etc as with paint.
Was a little concerned seeing the propane flame used around the aircraft if there was any fuel or fumes in the tanks.
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05-26-2014, 02:03 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: La Feria Texas
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That caught my attention as well! I would think a heat blower, commercial kinda like a hair dryer would be far safer.
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05-26-2014, 05:17 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: West Palm Beach, Florida
Posts: 167
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bevan
Was a little concerned seeing the propane flame used around the aircraft if there was any fuel or fumes in the tanks.
Bevan
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3M 1080 specifically states NOT TO USE FLAME/Torch and only heat guns in the Manufactures Technical Spec sheets.
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05-27-2014, 07:49 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Victoria, BC, Canada
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Is the flame/torch/heat gun intended to shrink that section of the vinyl, or to soften it so it can be stretched? It looks like it was only used near the canopy, where some compound curves were happening.
Given where it was being pointed, i'd be more worried about stress concentrations in the canopy bubble than fire considerations due to fuel... :/
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05-27-2014, 08:11 AM
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Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: North Atlanta
Posts: 1,120
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Guys that wrap in the field often use the propane torch because they lack power. Guys that own their shop will use a hair dryer or sometimes heat gun. A hair dryer is all that is needed and it doesn't burn you when you need to hold it. Some of the better guys can hold the dryer between their legs or arms and use both hands to apply.
This material will stretch easier and also release wrinkles when heated. You can literally ball it up then apply heat and it will look like it just came off the roll.
There are hundreds of wrap videos online you can see how this works. There is no magic to it. It is an art so I wouldn't advise attempting it on your own.
Edit: BTW, a propane flame will punch right through this material. Your canopy would not be damaged at that temp but of course could be if someone just held the flame in one spot.
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05-27-2014, 01:56 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Wilsonville/Aurora KUAO Oregon
Posts: 746
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Weight...
I just put one square foot of 3M 1080 bright blue on my store's gram scale. .5 ounce.
Please, someone reply what paint is per square or the total square feet on an RV-? (500 sq in a two seat would be my guess...puts vinyl at 16 pounds without primer or fillers). The low end of Mel's numbers.
Prep over fiberglass will be about the same or the weave shows. Pin holes do not show so much. IMHO. So add that to weight...
My -8 is half polished, went from 1018 to 1050 = 32 lbs but some other things were done that I did not record between weigh ins. My cowl and spinner are painted. Fly boys did the military markings and name on the nose. Local sign shop (that also do complete wraps) did the girl...
My wrap is a DIY, but so was the plane...LOL
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05-27-2014, 02:37 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Aurora, OR
Posts: 843
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BruceEicher
Fly boys did the military markings and name on the nose. Local sign shop (that also do complete wraps) did the girl...
My wrap is a DIY, but so was the plane...LOL
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Your plane's a work of art. By the time I saw it at Nehalem Bay the other day and realized it was yours, you were gone headed into town. I'd be curious what the do-it-yourself process was like, and since I am considering a RV-8 build, I'd sure like to discuss in general. I'm over at Twin Oaks.
greg
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