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05-25-2014, 07:43 AM
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Join Date: Aug 2006
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Amount of prep required?
When painting, the Fiberglass on my rv10 needed an incredible amount of prep work to get it ready for paint (pinholes, etc).
Now building an 8a. I'm really hoping this isn't the case with a wrap. Please advise as to level of prep work necessary to be done prior to wrap.
Thanks,
Tom Hanaway
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05-25-2014, 07:57 AM
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Location: Ontario Canada
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Shrinking
Just wondering what the installers say about the product shrinking over time?
I have some experience with having large trailers and trucks done up with vinyl logos and lettering. I always use the very best 3m film but I do notice that over the years the material shrinks a little bit and you can see the lines where the it started. Minimal shrinkage but it is noticeable and would think a plane baking in the sun would be a potential issue for this?
Just wondered. Job looks great, amazing what can be done nowadays.
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05-25-2014, 08:21 AM
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Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: West Palm Beach, Florida
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RickWoodall
Just wondering what the installers say about the product shrinking over time?
I have some experience with having large trailers and trucks done up with vinyl logos and lettering. I always use the very best 3m film but I do notice that over the years the material shrinks a little bit and you can see the lines where the it started. Minimal shrinkage but it is noticeable and would think a plane baking in the sun would be a potential issue for this?
Just wondered. Job looks great, amazing what can be done nowadays.
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What 3M vinyl are you using? Our vinyl is a 0.015% (0.4MM) shrinkage during install. After the install the vinyl is stable in all temperature zones.
I would only state that seams and install process will determine the overall lifespan greatly.
Aircraftwraps spent hundreds of hours flight testing our install process and refining that process to come to the level we have now.
Watching the video, We do see an issue with how they did the install... however, It's not our place to be on someones thread and state that. If the original poster would like to contact us, we would be happy to share the details.
(It's not our intention to say anything negative regarding this wrap. Looks great, we are just trying to help the OP enjoy his wrap to its maximum lifespan within a very different environment compared to trucks and cars).
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05-25-2014, 08:45 AM
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Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Tampa (BKV)
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Wraps are interesting, but what is the lifespan compared to paint and if the plane is bare aluminum under it, I fear corrosion. Aircraft Wraps quote was within 10% of my paint quote from GLO on the same scheme so without the same lifespan I couldn't go that route. Real interested to hear what the original poster paid his local installers. I would also like to hear what the vinyl weighs. We are always given percentages versus paint but that is highly questionable practice as it assumes what the paint weight is. What is the actual weight of the vinyl process installed?
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05-25-2014, 08:50 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Orange County CA
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When I started looking at a wrap, I talked with the guys from AircraftWraps. They were very helpful and answered lots of my questions, but they are in Florida and I am in Southern California. I decided to use a link on the 3M website that listed 'Certified' installers in my area. I think AircraftWraps is now looking into partnering with local installers in areas outside of Florida. Anyway, the installer I used did a great job.
As for pin holes, I think you still need to cover them. When you look close, you do see the contours of the surface below the wrap.
Spec's on the 3M Scotchprint 1080 Series Vinyl, copied from the 3M website.
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3M™ Wrap Film 1080-G25 Gloss Sunflower, 60 in x 25 yd
3M ID 75347218176 UPC# 00051128915516
Dual cast 3.5 mil Gloss Sunflower wrap film features removable, pressure-activated adhesive with non-visible air release channels. The 60 inch width allows you to wrap almost any section of a vehicle without seams.
Use it right out of the box, no need to print or apply an overlaminate.
Manufactured with two color layers for dimensional stability and durability.
3.5 mil cast film for easier handling and good conformability and lifting resistance.
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05-25-2014, 11:58 AM
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Location: Victoria, BC, Canada
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Is the wing-walk sticker placed on top of the vinyl, or is it stuck to the aluminum and the vinyl trimmed around it?
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05-25-2014, 12:35 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Southern California
Posts: 617
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Wrap...
Was this done in socal?
I'm not close to paint/wrap yet, but I'm preparing.
Also, how easy is this to patch/fix over time? I know something will happen to my plane! *sigh*
Dkb
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05-25-2014, 12:52 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Orange County CA
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Rob;
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Is the wing-walk sticker placed on top of the vinyl, or is it stuck to the aluminum and the vinyl trimmed around it?
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Yes, the wing walk sticker went on top of the vinyl. The vinyl on the wing is one big piece on top and one on the bottom.
David;
Yes, the wrap company came to my hangar at Chino (KCNO). It was really great having them come to me. I didn't even have to take off the ailerons, flaps or any control surface. We did take the canopy off at one point, but that is really simple when you have a couple of guys to lift it off.
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05-26-2014, 05:45 AM
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Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Amelia, Va
Posts: 268
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Over paint
I wonder, can you go over existing paint or would that add too much weight?
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05-26-2014, 07:08 AM
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Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: West Palm Beach, Florida
Posts: 167
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tooch
I wonder, can you go over existing paint or would that add too much weight?
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We do cover ups!  The material is designed to go over paint.
19 pages of reference and questions answered:
http://www.vansairforce.com/communit...=aircraftwraps
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