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Old 05-08-2014, 03:57 PM
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I would be sure to have O2. We did it without trying to follow the passes but even at 10,500 on those hot days there isn't much oxygen for us low landers.
"Hot days" affects how the engine runs, but not your body's oxygen requirements.

But I agree, having O2 let's you fly higher, where the air is smoother. Over Northern AZ, etc., 10,000' is only 3,000' AGL.
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Old 05-08-2014, 06:18 PM
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Old 05-13-2014, 07:50 PM
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fly early before the winds start, land by 1pm to avoid the bumps. you'll like the trip.
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Old 05-15-2014, 11:41 PM
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Lots of good info here. Take heed to the land early advice, watch the weather. If there is any kind of frontal passage or low pressure system moving through, delay. Dawn is a GREAT time to fly out here.

Lots of good info in this thread too.

http://www.vansairforce.com/communit...d.php?t=100676
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Old 05-16-2014, 05:27 PM
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Default Real Mountains??

Interesting thread.

I'm thinking of flying my -4 from Wichita to Los Angeles this summer. I was planning a stop in Santa Fe or maybe further south at Albuquerque. There are some ridges East of either of those locations, then more around Flagstaff, and of course the crossing around San Bernardino or Palm Springs.

These are pretty slight compared to anyone planning a Denver to Spokane trip but certainly not as conservative as Wichita to El Paso to LA. Is my trip "real mountains". Should I heed all of the above advice such as landing before 1:00 and getting some training/study ahead of time in mountain flying?
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Old 05-16-2014, 05:42 PM
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These areas are hot in the summer, density altitudes are high, so yes they are "real" mountains. That being said, the advice to fly early is good advice, but not an absolute. In the afternoons the up and down drafts get worse, the turbulence gets worse. Not necessarily un-flyable, but maybe not real pleasant. It's usually not as bad if you can cruise in the oxygen altitudes (above 14,500). Late July and August are the monsoon season, so you need to be prepared to divert in the afternoons, too. But these storms can often be circumnavigated visually. Give them a wide birth. Xm or ADSB wx is very useful for long range planning.
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Old 05-19-2014, 07:16 PM
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I'm flying the family to the San Diego area in a few weeks, a route similar from IXD..LVS..SEZ..CRQ. It will be IFR in a PA321/R.
What are the better fuel/restaurant stops along the route?
Lots of special use airspace between PHX and CRQ, is it best to file around and use airways?
Are the special use areas usually active on weekends?
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I-80 is a good route.
Make sure you understand how to lean for max power for high density altitude takeoffs. Be patient.
I consider O2 mandatory for this trip.
Try to stay below gross weight for those takeoffs, especially if hot.
Why Jackson Hole? Airport is not close to town, a bit on the expensive side. Long climb (big valley, though) on departure. Other options include Driggs, ID, or even West Yellowstone.
agree, Driggs has a great restaurant and a small free museum. Jackson has fees.
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Old 05-19-2014, 11:27 PM
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Lots of special use airspace between PHX and CRQ, is it best to file around and use airways?

Andy
Out west, when I file ifr I always use the airways. Unless you are flying really high (like over 16000') filing direct is a pain, since it is your responsibility to check for sufficient (2000') terrain clearance. If the airway is particularly non-direct I ask ATC for a short cut. Usually you get it.
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