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04-12-2014, 06:22 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Marshall TX (KASL)
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Show your Custom 20% EMS Skyview Screen!
Mostly I fly the Skyview as 40%PFD, 40%MAP, 20%(Engine.) I did not like the standard Van's 20%EMS layout. Things didn't line up, some widgets horizontal and some vertical, sizing issues, etc. I rearranged mine as shown. All the widgets are vertical for an easier scan.
Oil Pres, Temp and Battery Volts/Amps on Top row.
Fuel Level, Pressure, and Flow, and Trim on second row.
CHT/EGT 3rd row.
Useful numbers at the top, with Stall and Spar Pins.
Post your arrangement!
Now, on the right hand side is something I am posting to the Dynon forum as a suggestion. For TAKEOFF and LANDING I like the 20% view. I like the context that the ranges provide. In CRUISE, I would really like a bigger PFD and Map but I do not like totally getting rid of the engine monitoring! This is a 5% wide strip (One-FOURTH the width of the standard one!) That would let the PFD and MAP both be 47.5% rather than 40%!
Note that the example is for a conventional RV with 2 fuel tanks and 4 CHT/EGT possibilities. Ignore the values of the numbers, this is a sizing-spacing example.
You can see all the numbers. I would add the coding of a green background when the number is in that part of the range (current widgets do not do that.) Comments are welcome on this too!
Oh - the pic on the left is not the STANDARD Van's 20% layout of instruments. I meant it is the standard 20% SIZE. The layout on it is my revision from Vans version.
Bill H
N412BR "Sweetie"
Last edited by Bill_H : 04-12-2014 at 11:08 PM.
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04-12-2014, 06:29 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Marshall TX (KASL)
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Before you request that the numeric strip be horizontally across the top or bottom of the full Skyview screen, Dynon has said that would cause MASSIVE headaches with the paging and scaling code used for their current paradigm.
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04-12-2014, 09:02 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Hansville, Washington
Posts: 536
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Bill, why do you need all that EMS stuff on the small screen? I, personally, get goo-goo eyed looking at all that stuff.
I'm coming up on my Annual in two weeks and reconfiguring the EMS panels is high on my To-Do Lists.
I plan to get rid of almost everything. I don't need RPM and MAP. I figure it's one or the other. I don't need all that CHT and EGT stuff. And electric stuff. Why do you have that big Spar Pin light and callout looking you in the face all the time?. That duplicates the big red light by the key switch. I figure that's a pre-flight check - like once a year - without any annunciation required at all.
Why have the Stall warning light? Do you need that to tell when you're approaching a stall? What about the annoying aural warning? I can't remember all the stalls I've done and can't remember ever looking at, or even being aware of, the Stall light.
And on and on.
More and more, after pre-take-off checks, I get rid of the EMS screen altogether.
I'd like one or two parameters available as widgets on the Map display. That's all. Then, I'd deep-six the small EMS panel all together. If something starts acting badly, I'd call up one of the larger EMS screens to figure it out. The small screen is barely scannable on a routine basis. Too much info.
Bob Bogash
N737G
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04-12-2014, 09:15 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: San Diego, CA
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We didn't seem to have this type of discussion in the steam gauge epoch! 
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04-12-2014, 10:38 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Marshall TX (KASL)
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Good questions Bob!!! I have some initial reluctance to remove stuff that a lot of thought went into at Vans. I too can't figure out why the default layout (which I did not show) has a big gauge for manifold pressure - on a fixed pitch, normally aspirated carb engine. The stall light also can go, it's audible and I also have audible AOA. Spar pin, ditto - almost.... Vans layout had all these things.
But I like having the CHT-EGT temps. CHT would indicate a coolant problem. EGT shows problems even though we do not have a mixture knob. Gotta have volts, amps, fuel pressure, fuel flow, oil pres, temp, and trim. If I take off the items mentioned here as unneeded, then the is room for a few more info items. Fuel at waypoint, etc.
Bill
Last edited by Bill_H : 04-13-2014 at 04:46 PM.
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04-12-2014, 10:47 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Marshall TX (KASL)
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About the spar pin indication. We had a Bonanza for several years. It had the throw over yoke. The control lock was a big pin that was put in the hub from below. Had a red streamer on mine. Some people just used a pin, no streamer, no flag. Obviously, no electric warning that the pin is in.
A Beech Baron landed at Houston Hobby to pick up some folks. For some reason they inserted the pin (same yoke setup). Then tried to take off. Killed 4 people. After that, my wife would always ask "Is the Pin-of-Death removed"? Then she saw those two big pins holding the wings on while I was building the RV12... So she likes seeing that big word there "SAFE."
Yeah, the pilot did not do a controls-free check. But that shouldn't have to be a death sentence for a few bucks worth of parts. I use the Vans tow-bar control lock plus the seat-belt around the stick, with wood spacer block to hold the tail neutral (see the mods thread.) Ain't taking off with all that in the way! But if I was to install some kind of single pin control lock, I'd spend a few bucks on wire and a sensor and put it in one of the spare inputs on the Skyview.
And you know the spar pin light next to the ignition switch could fail...
Last edited by Bill_H : 04-12-2014 at 10:55 PM.
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04-13-2014, 03:57 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: High Wycombe, UK
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Here's ours:

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England
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Loving Rotax....
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04-13-2014, 10:33 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: kansas
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I vote for a 5% option.
For those that are comfortable rewriting the EMS files, I have detailed instructions to alter the widgets in ways not addressed in the Dynon manual.
The arc angles can be forced to begin/end where desired and also the thickness of the arcs/bars can be manipulated.
This is not my 20% screen just showing some possibilities.

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04-14-2014, 08:15 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: La Feria Texas
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The suggestion is also being discussed over on the Dynon Skyview forum, so Dynon is definitely getting some opinions on this.
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04-14-2014, 09:17 AM
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Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Hansville, Washington
Posts: 536
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Well, failing a thin bottom strip, or a couple of widgets on the Map display, I like Bill's 5 % also. I like the colors a lot. I think it's something like they use on submarines use where when all the indicators turn Green, you know at a glance that the boat is ready to dive. I hate reading numbers.
Larry, I don't mind writing code and would be very interested in your EMS hack instructions.
Bob Bogash
N737G
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