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04-04-2014, 07:43 AM
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Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Memphis
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"small" N numbers at SnF
At least one Rocket violated (written ticket) for small N numbers on a Rocket (confirmed), several others reported violated, mostly Rockets.
A controversy renewed!
Sgt. Joe Friday would be looking for: "....the facts, Ma'am, just the facts."
Looking for whatever regs might apply, any help?
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04-04-2014, 08:10 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Ottawa, Ks
Posts: 2,188
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AC 45-2D
As I understand it 180 knts max cruising speed for 3 inch tall N#'s.
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04-04-2014, 08:34 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Southern Michigan
Posts: 1,966
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Quote:
Originally Posted by L'Avion
A controversy renewed!
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Not in my book. Fly-Ins are a good place for enforcement. Its a great way for the FAA to check for compliance using minimal resource's. Its no different than a holiday weekend on our lake when the Marine Enforcement Division of the local Sheriff Department is out trolling the lake. Lots of boats, people, and violators on holidays. Those who operate their boats in compliance with the law have nothing to worry about. Same goes with airplanes.
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04-04-2014, 08:52 AM
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Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Northern California
Posts: 78
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From Table 3:
"Displaying an N-number on a limited or restricted category aircraft or experimental or provisionally certificated aircraft
Unless you?ve included the aircraft?s category letter in the N-number between the nationality designation and the registration number (for example, NR1234 for a restricted aircraft), the aircraft is required to display near each entrance to the cabin or cockpit the term ?limited,? ?restricted,? ?experimental,? or ?provisional airworthiness,? as appropriate. The term should be visible to anyone entering the aircraft and should be 2 to 6 inches high."
Does this mean we could put NX on our aircraft an omit the EXPERIMENTAL signage?
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04-04-2014, 08:55 AM
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Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Frederick, MD
Posts: 821
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Part 45.29 (b)((iii)
3" for Experimental amateur built, if max cruising speed is under 180KCAS.
The AC referenced above may provide more info, but it is not regulatory so the FAA can't cite against an AC.
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04-04-2014, 09:02 AM
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Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Taylor Texas
Posts: 811
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Well, NOT!!
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Originally Posted by crabandy
AC 45-2D
As I understand it 180KT max cruising speed for 3 inch tall N#'s.
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Last time I looked at AC45 2D it specified 'cruising speed' as the normal cruising speed of the ship at a normal cruising power setting at a normal cruising altitude. I see it only says 'cruising speed' now.
I find reference (FAR 45.29) to the max speed for 3" numbers as 180KT CAS, which is an indicated number. No power setting is specified. I know of no Rocketeers who can say (truthfully) that their Rocket will CRUISE in excess of 180KT CAS, tho it will SPRINT to that number.
If they want to infer that cruising speed is a TAS number, then they COULD have a point, but they would not be following the regs, as written.
If you know of anyone having a problem at SnF with this issue, have 'em contact me.
Carry on!
Mark
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04-04-2014, 10:13 AM
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Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Minneapolis
Posts: 2,473
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffk
From Table 3:
"Displaying an N-number on a limited or restricted category aircraft or experimental or provisionally certificated aircraft
Unless you?ve included the aircraft?s category letter in the N-number between the nationality designation and the registration number (for example, NR1234 for a restricted aircraft), the aircraft is required to display near each entrance to the cabin or cockpit the term ?limited,? ?restricted,? ?experimental,? or ?provisional airworthiness,? as appropriate. The term should be visible to anyone entering the aircraft and should be 2 to 6 inches high."
Does this mean we could put NX on our aircraft an omit the EXPERIMENTAL signage?
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In most cases...you cannot...
See: Sec 45.22
Cheers,
Stein
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04-04-2014, 10:37 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: 57AZ - NW Tucson area
Posts: 10,011
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SteinAir
In most cases...you cannot...
See: Sec 45.22
Cheers,
Stein
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Doesn't it depend on the RV model?
(b) A small U.S.-registered aircraft built at least 30 years ago or a U.S.-registered aircraft for which an experimental certificate has been issued under Sec. 21.191(d) or 21.191(g) for operation as an exhibition aircraft or as an amateur-built aircraft and which has the same external configuration as an aircraft built at least 30 years ago may be operated without displaying marks in accordance with Secs. 45.21 and 45.23 through 45.33 if:
(1) It displays in accordance with Sec. 45.21(c) marks at least 2 inches high on each side of the fuselage or vertical tail surface consisting of the Roman capital letter "N" followed by:
(i) The U.S. registration number of the aircraft; or
(ii) The symbol appropriate to the airworthiness certificate of the aircraft ("C", standard; "R", restricted; "L", limited; or "X", experimental) followed by the U.S. registration number of the aircraft; and
(2) It displays no other mark that begins with the letter "N" anywhere on the aircraft, unless it is the same mark that is displayed under paragraph (b)(1) of this section.
RV-3s and RV-4s would qualify under the 30 year rule. Also with 2 inch numbers, not 3 inch ones.
Two more years to go for the RV-6s (TD versions)
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04-04-2014, 10:40 AM
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Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: California
Posts: 697
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3" Numbers
Wonder what this cruises at......

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04-04-2014, 10:46 AM
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Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Wichita, KS
Posts: 1,958
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Quote:
Originally Posted by flyingriki
Wonder what this cruises at......
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At least 3kph (kilo-bucks per hour).
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