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03-05-2014, 06:47 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Puget Sound
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Nice!
Great posts, everyone - glad to see photos of the project "in the flesh", so to speak.
I've got my rivets all removed and the HS-610 flange trimmed, so progress is coming along albeit kind of slow. But out here in the Seattle area the WX has not been real conducive to VFR flying anyway, so I'm just takin' my time.... 
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03-06-2014, 06:01 AM
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Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Kalamazoo, Mi
Posts: 27
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hey john
just had to comment on this "Seattle area the WX has not been real conducive to VFR flying"
i lived in everret for over a year and will say that it is very nice from about june to sept the rest of the year is just like you said bla bla bla.
i was working for boeing on the new plastic plane. it was great fun but got a better job offer back in michigan and came back here but weather here has really sucked this winter. i hope to move back to texas in a few years.
hope fully you will get better weather there soon.
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03-07-2014, 05:41 AM
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Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: USA
Posts: 3,179
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Walt,
Thank you very much for the photos. I'm one of those "visual-spacial thinker" types and have been reading and re-reading the service bulletin. As a non-builder, I was not completely clear on what was being described.
Your photos really help fill in the picture for me.
I'll be getting "skilled" assistance when I perform the SB and I will definitely keep your post handy.
One question: we're you able to squeeze all of the rivets or did you need to buck some ? I only have a pneumatic squeezer at the moment.
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03-07-2014, 07:14 AM
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Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Ridgeland, SC
Posts: 2,589
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SB package ordered---even though the only wind my emp has seen was the air blowing through the hangar. I figured it was better to do it now than later. Walts post was great!
Tom
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03-07-2014, 08:00 AM
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Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Richmond, KY
Posts: 57
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Thanks for the photos
Walt,
+1 thanks for the photos. I'm all clecoed up and ready to drill the holes around the outside of the bracket but wasn't too sure of myself. Your pictures really helped.
Chuck
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03-07-2014, 07:04 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Dallas/Ft Worth, TX
Posts: 5,686
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Quote:
Originally Posted by humptybump
Walt,
Thank you very much for the photos. I'm one of those "visual-spacial thinker" types and have been reading and re-reading the service bulletin. As a non-builder, I was not completely clear on what was being described.
One question: we're you able to squeeze all of the rivets or did you need to buck some ? I only have a pneumatic squeezer at the moment.
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I was only able to squeeze the the rivets in the center with my 'C' squeeze, the rest I bucked with a Jiffy rivet gun and stubby off-set (no way to get in there with a standard gun and offset). If I had to do a bunch of them I would probably purchase an alligator sqeezer with a 9" jaw but kind of hard to justify the expense for only a few jobs.
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03-07-2014, 08:30 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Hubbard Oregon
Posts: 9,035
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Walt
the rest I bucked with a Jiffy rivet gun and stubby off-set (no way to get in there with a standard gun and offset).
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On the two SB installs I have worked on, the rivets within the skin bays were driven with a standard 3X gun and off set river set with the mfr heads on the aft side. There was more than enough room.
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03-07-2014, 09:45 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Dallas/Ft Worth, TX
Posts: 5,686
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rvbuilder2002
On the two SB installs I have worked on, the rivets within the skin bays were driven with a standard 3X gun and off set river set with the mfr heads on the aft side. There was more than enough room.
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Maybe my offset isn't the shortest available, I couldn't seem to get on them straight with my setup.
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EXP Aircraft Services LLC
Specializing in RV Condition Inspections, Maintenance, Avionics Upgrades
Dynamic Prop Balancing, Pitot-Static Altmeter/Transponder Certification
FAA Certified Repair Station, AP/IA/FCC GROL, EAA Technical Counselor
Authorized Garmin G3X Dealer/Installer
RV7A built 2004, 1700+ hrs, New Titan IO-370, Bendix Mags
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03-08-2014, 03:48 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: lake oswego, OR
Posts: 161
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here is what I found today. notice the crack only goes as far as the paint line where the rib flange touches the spar web. the crach appears to not have even continued under the rib, much less to the rivet hole. so much for worrying that the crack went thru all the rivet holes! 
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03-15-2014, 10:36 AM
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Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Pagosa Springs CO
Posts: 243
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SB 01-31-31 completed
I have finally completed the installation of the HS doubler plates. As a non-builder, it was a great experience. I bought the necessary tools, and as a back up, TWO SB kits (which were ultimately needed). I learned much more about riveting, even though I had taken the EAA sheet metal course, and became an expert at removing improperly installed rivets. I thank Chuck Wilson, of Hotel Whiskey aviation (builder of the Safer Air Extended Range fuel tanks), who coached me when I was struggling. Here are some of my observations:
1. I found the bolts for the rudder counterweight loose, and had to drill holes in the fairing to reach them. This I discovered when I was shaking some debris out to the rudder. As the aircraft ages, it appears that the lead weights "flow," loosening the bolts.
2. The use of the type of stand that John Thocker at Redline when working on Jerry "Widget" Morris's aircraft was invaluable. It neatly held the HS while the rivets are installed.
3. Inexperienced builders like me need an extra supply of rivets, as many mistakes were made, despite the EAA course,.
4. It is critical to get eight rivet holes that go between the angles located so that they can be bucked properly. It is very easy to get the holes too close to the top or bottom angle.
5. The information that was provided by VAF members was invaluable. I truly appreciate all those who went before who shared their experience.
6. It took me about 50 hours to complete the SB, reflecting my lower experience level. Several hours of that time were spent just looking, fitting, and studying how to do the SB. Obviously experienced people will do it in half the time that it took me.
Here are some photos of my project:

[url=http://s1237.photobucket.com/user/gear1van/media/p1020291.jpg.html][IMG]

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Last edited by gear1 : 03-15-2014 at 10:38 AM.
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