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Old 02-18-2014, 09:14 PM
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Glad to see old thread revived. First 15 or so pages I was reading while still building and not even having Private Pilot License. Now I have my own stories


You would be surprised how many busy tower controllers don't know what RV is. I fly a lot within triple class B over Greater New York and often talk to all three towers. Newark and Kennedy are better informed they handle some small fixed wing VFR traffic, the third tower on weekends usually has little clue on experimentals. Once I was asked if I am a jet followed by what maximum airspeed I can go. Jeez I only asked for couple circles over Central Park. Next time they just called me a helicopter 6 beekei...
I know they are overloaded and their routes are structured but sometimes (my guess) when they hear heavy accented "experimental xxx" they say aircraft calling standby. RV moves and in no time you are past your point. Sometimes I identify myself as experimental on second call. Greetings, N-number, location and request on first contact. On second I declare "an experimental" and politely ask what I want. Never hurts to ask for more


Non towered or self announcing depends on situation. Nobody cares what my N number is, Silver Experimental would be easier for a student pilot in the pattern to identify. Circling the Statue of Liberty I call myself "fixed wing" and make position reports as tour helicopters do. It makes them aware of the danger. Several times helo drivers said they have RV in sight. I didn't say a word to identify, just usual "fixed wing".


Now I would appreciate some advice based on above situations. Flight Following is much easier controllers are familiar with "Army" airplanes. I know McGuire Approach in my woods is.
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Old 02-19-2014, 10:04 AM
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I have been flying for a year now and have never identified myself by Experimental. Its always RV - 704CH. Maybe that is because most of my flying up in Seattle is RV country, but I hear RV calls all the time. In fact, if I hear an "experimental" call, I assume it is not an RV.

Also, I understand that "RV" is now recognized and legal to use when identifying yourself as well, can someone confirm? I have never had anyone challenge it. Identifying by RV tells tower/ATC a lot about your performance as well, which is valuable.

I have had an interesting thing happen with flight following, I announce myself and several times they have come back and asked what "type" RV are you? I indicate -7 and they fill in their boxes and I proceed with the flight. Leads me to believe they have "RV" in their system and just need a type.

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Old 02-19-2014, 10:12 AM
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It's interesting how I've seen this change in just four years. I used to fly a CTLS quite a bit, and I used to have to lead with "experimental" and add type when asked. Nowadays I can specify CT when I fly at my old FBO.

Vlad - kudos for being willing to put up with that much hassle around NYC. I thought LAX airspace was bad.
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Old 02-19-2014, 10:13 AM
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"Experimental RV - 35 Papa Mike" on my first call. A few times I have been asked what 'Type of RV', but mostly they respond with calls for 35 or 5 Papa Mike.

When they call me as 5 Papa Mike, that's how I answer.
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Old 02-19-2014, 10:27 AM
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I used to identify as RV 664SB. I was in a particularly stressed situation once in decreasing visibility trying to pick up an IFR clearance, and ATC understood me as "Army", not RV, which wasted time as conditions quickly deteriorated. Now I identify as "experimental", and if asked, I'm a Romeo Victor 6 slant Gulf.
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Old 02-19-2014, 11:43 AM
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I have been following this thread with interest, since I don't know just how I will identify myself on initial call.
My registered "manufacturer designation is "Air Force 1". I don't think calling in "Experimental Air Force One 461 Delta Golf would tell much, so I expect to just use "Experimental 461 Delta Golf". My problem comes in when they ask what type experimental I am flying, I am sure "Air Force One" is probably not the answer they are looking for.
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"Experimental RV - 35 Papa Mike" on my first call. A few times I have been asked what 'Type of RV', but mostly they respond with calls for 35 or 5 Papa Mike.

When they call me as 5 Papa Mike, that's how I answer.
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Old 02-19-2014, 12:19 PM
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Cool An 'N' Number Containing 'RV' doesn't Help

When registering my RV6-A in 1995 I chose "N-95RV" thinking that it would help ATC and other A/C know what I was flying. Didn't help much then and doesn't seem to work as often as I would like now. Too often I find that I have created a bit of confusion between my 'N' number and my type of aircraft: "N-95RV say again type of aircraft" to which I reply "95 Romeo Victor is an RV6". It also doesn't help that "5" and "9-er" are both a mouthful and sound too similar.
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Old 02-19-2014, 12:36 PM
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Flight following up and down the East Coast this weekend. Always checked in as "Experimental Two Eight Romeo Victor". Only once did a controller come back with "RV Two Eight Romeo Victor" most often they just skipped "experimental". Acknowledgements from me thereafter were either "Eight Romeo Victor", "Three zero zero three, wilco", "Beaufort on Twenty five twelve, good day" Not standard, but communications brevity was beaten into my head long ago, and unless I get complaints about non-standard communications, I am going to keep at it.
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Old 02-19-2014, 12:43 PM
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...Non towered or self announcing depends on situation. Nobody cares what my N number is, Silver Experimental would be easier for a student pilot in the pattern to identify. Circling the Statue of Liberty I call myself "fixed wing" and make position reports as tour helicopters do. It makes them aware of the danger. Several times helo drivers said they have RV in sight. I didn't say a word to identify, just usual "fixed wing".


Now I would appreciate some advice based on above situations. Flight Following is much easier controllers are familiar with "Army" airplanes. I know McGuire Approach in my woods is.
Agree totally. Non-towered, it's "red & white RV". Talking to ATC, it's always "experimental 1-x-y". (Or a-b-c Flight.) Too many of the more *sophisticated* experimental owners like to use their kit manufacturer as a call sign. One such instance, I followed an RV around the pattern several times all the while looking for the "Aeronca" calling on the radio. Turns out he was calling *rocket*. Give me a break. Or buy a better radio.
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Old 02-20-2014, 05:29 AM
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Not sure why such a big discussion on this. Our Operating Limitations are pretty clear.

"The pilot in command of this aircraft must notify air traffic control of the experimental nature of this aircraft when operating into or out of airports with an operational control tower."

There is some interpretation that can be made as to HOW to notify that you are an experimental but very clear that it is only for ATC when going INTO OR OUT OF AIRPORTS with an OPERATIONAL control tower. It doesn't say you have to tell them on every call you are experimental, just to notifiy them so the initial call-up should be sufficient. I try to keep it simple and quick: "XYZ Tower, Experimental RV4 NXXXX, 10 miles SE with Charlie for landing". No call after that do I use the word experimental....it is not required or necessary.

To Vlad's experience around the NY airspace, based on the wording in the OL's unless he is landing or taking off from one of those airports there is no need to tell them he is experimental. Standard radio phrasology is all you need. For others that feel they must use their registered designation instead of RV, please don't. It's not fair to the tower controller attempting to sequence traffic and I've dealt with a few that have zero sense of humor. Not to mention it ties up the frequency while the controller sorts out that your "Turtle Crawl 2" is really a fast moving RV8. Regardless of what our registerded type is , we are still RV's, hence the reason you are on this board. I'm pretty sure the Turtle Crawl board would be a lonely place.
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