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Old 02-13-2014, 06:56 PM
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Default First take on the fix for the fix

My first impression when I read this was the poster was sharing that Van's SB needed fixing based on their observation of the fix which at the time hadn't been fixed yet.

If we were talking about a sub-structure fix I guess it wouldn't have caught my attention but this is a spar area and most folks stay away from those areas except the designer. Who wants the liability?

If Van's gives the fix to the fix their seal of approval, then all is well. If not, then its going to be somebody else's problem down the road. Our planes tend to hang around for several generations and who wants to look at a logbook entry years from now and see an unauthorized (not from designer) fix to a spar?

On the other hand, our planes are experimental and we can do anything we want to. Right?
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Old 02-13-2014, 08:14 PM
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I am having a little trouble in my mind on this subject. It's about liability and old age. If the lawyers get involved in an interrogation and find that the repair wasn't done according to the manufactures instructions is there a penalty to pay besides the mental anguish you have to live through the rest of your life? If the airplane wasn't built to be sold is it going to be scrapped when you no longer are able to fly?
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Old 02-13-2014, 08:18 PM
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Maybe this should not bother me as much as it does, and maybe it is just semantics, but I don't understand why anyone other than Vans could in good conscience advertise a "Service bulletin fix". I shake my head in amazement when I read this. At the very least change the name to "alternative to the service bulletin".

As an aside I would never even consider buying a flying aircraft with something other than the factory fix for something as important as this. I wonder how many others feel the same way. I know most builders don't build to sell, but there are a lot of bought planes out there.

Just some thoughts.
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You are not alone. I've purchased a few things from Alan now and have grown to like him....but I really hope he has a HUGE liability policy. An alternative to a service bulletin on spar cracks? One guy blowing through VNE on the backside of a botched loop and his empennage comes apart with Alan's mod in it....even a bad lawyer would clean him out.
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Old 02-14-2014, 12:04 AM
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Allen, inasmuch as Van's put some serious engineering into their SB, it would be interesting to see the engineering behind your new product.
Dave
Exactly!
As in the past ... I expect there will be no response to this question.
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Old 02-14-2014, 05:36 AM
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Remember guys the SB says to inspect for cracks. If no cracks you have complied with the SB. If you have cracks you NEED to install the Vans fix.

Allan's fix should only work if you have no cracks. It is more of a preventive measure. The way I understand it is it will allow you to still inspect for cracks in the future, again allowing you to comply with the SB.

I do not think his intent is for his fix to replace the Vans SB.

IF I have this wrong by all means flame suit is on.
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Old 02-14-2014, 06:34 AM
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Default Van's New Tail

My guess is that Van's knows they have a weak spot they will come out with a new spar design. May be thicker stronger. I have no cracks yet but I hope if one ever develops by then Van's will have the new stronger tail to build.
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Old 02-14-2014, 07:42 AM
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If you have cracks you NEED to install the Vans fix.
IF I have this wrong by all means flame suit is on.
You don't have to do anything. SB's are not mandatory, cracks or not. Now, what is prudent and responsible might be something different.
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Old 02-14-2014, 08:57 AM
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Considering we don't know yet what Allen's product is, many are jumping to conclusion. Why not wait a bit longer to see it and then offer your criticism or praise. Unless of course you have had a special preview ahead of many of us.
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Old 02-14-2014, 09:01 AM
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Default This SB is particularly frustrating to me

I was one who found a very small crack in my right elevator spar. We called Van's 3 times to get their advice. We were told to just replace the spar and put it back together the way it was originally designed. We asked about ideas about how to strengthen and they did not think it was necessary.

So we rebuilt and repainted the elevator at a cost of well over $1000 and the plane was down for a month.

Now they come out with an SB for a patch that does not require disassembly that would have been a simple and fast fix for us. Plus it strengthens the attach points in the process.

Don't get me wrong, thrilled that they got around to this. Just wish they would have given us this option when we originally asked.

Done venting, I still love my RV7a and Vans!
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Considering we don't know yet what Allen's product is, many are jumping to conclusion. Why not wait a bit longer to see it and then offer your criticism or praise. Unless of course you have had a special preview ahead of many of us.
To me just the fact that he is advertising it as a "Service Bulletin Fix" it doesn't matter what it is. The Factory is the only one that can do that. He is just being rude to an organization that is doing the right thing by its customers. And insulting the intelligence of the customers in the process. Hopefully he does not catch someone unaware of his deceiving choice of words. I can just see some poor guy saying "but I bought and installed "the fix", what do you mean it is not the right one?!?" "Potential buyers are walking away from my plane because of it!"

Maybe he does not mean it that way. And maybe I am being too sensitive, but his choice of words really offends my sensibilities. I do notice it has been brought up quite a while ago in this thread (multiple times, by multiple people) and he has not changed it yet. Makes me seriously question the ethics involved.

Mark

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