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02-06-2014, 04:25 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Cedar Park, TX
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I've been telling people for a couple of years that I'll finish my -8 project when Garmin updates the now very old G3X displays.
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Scott Card
CQ Headset by Card Machine Works
CMW E-Lift
RV-9A N4822C flying 2200+hrs. / Cedar Park, TX
RV8 Building - fuselage / showplanes canopy (Done!)
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02-06-2014, 07:02 PM
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Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Maple Grove, MN
Posts: 2,334
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Originally Posted by petehowell
Are you saying my Garmin 396 is no longer state-of-the-art???
Why just last week it found Madison all the way from Minneapolis.....
It really is amazing the innovation we have access to. Wait and reap the latest and greatest!
Someday I will upgrade.....someday........
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Hah - just before I do! Pretty soon our antique panels will be all the rage, with their stylish round dials and radium coated needles...
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Alex Peterson
RV6A N66AP 1700+ hours
KADC, Wadena, MN
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02-06-2014, 07:10 PM
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VAF Moderator / Line Boy
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Dayton, NV
Posts: 12,256
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AlexPeterson
.... and radium coated needles...
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Aha! So that's what you're using to keep warm this winter! 
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Paul F. Dye
Editor at Large - KITPLANES Magazine
RV-8 - N188PD - "Valkyrie"
RV-6 (By Marriage) - N164MS - "Mikey"
RV-3B - N13PL - "Tsamsiyu"
A&P, EAA Tech Counselor/Flight Advisor
Dayton Valley Airpark (A34)
http://Ironflight.com
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02-07-2014, 07:37 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Sherrills Ford, NC (Lake norman area)
Posts: 432
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your right, they are always out of date
Our panel was built in 2005 with GRT EFISs, Garmin 300 and SL30 and TT autopilot. I am still blown away by how well it works and what it can do.
We added a 696 a year ago to get weather and better mapping. Now foreflight on the ipad has taken care of charts-plates and offers more backup.
I have often thought about upgrading the autopilot but this one works so good, I can not justify the spend just to get climbs/descents and vertical on approaches.
Anxiously waiting for our experimental vendors to help us solve the ADSB out challenge at an experimental price!
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Bill Fearheiley
Lake Norman, NC (14A)
RV7a N705RP (no longer own)
Contribution in for 2017, money well spent
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02-07-2014, 09:24 AM
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Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: USA
Posts: 3,179
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I caught a glimpse of the WideView prototype which they claim is the first true glass panel for the RV-8. It will be interesting to hear what the response is at Sun-n-Fun.

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02-07-2014, 10:54 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Denver, CO
Posts: 1,967
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What if...?
..I know it's all the rage to go for the most adept, technologically advanced setup possible. However, one thing that keeps nagging at me is the whole "software dependency" that's growing. Even if you've jumped on the "properly designed softawre and backup systems can never fail" bandwagon and don't assign risk to an all glass panel, the other concern is future costs. Software upgrade costs, subscription costs, software to software sync/patch costs, etc. In the software world, isn't planned obsolescence part of the design criteria? ..as well as industry non-standardization? By giving up our steam gauges, are we really signing up for a never-ending continuous billing cycle?
Last edited by ppilotmike : 02-07-2014 at 10:56 AM.
Reason: spelling/grammar
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02-07-2014, 11:09 AM
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Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Newport, TN
Posts: 7,496
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Originally Posted by ppilotmike
Software upgrade costs, subscription costs, software to software sync/patch costs, etc. In the software world, isn't planned obsolescence part of the design criteria? ..as well as industry non-standardization? By giving up our steam gauges, are we really signing up for a never-ending continuous billing cycle?
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Most of the hardware that brings with it the majority of the cost you are describing above are related to IFR operations and you are going to have those cost with steam as well as glass. Ground based IFR navigation is slowly going away whether we like it or not.
Most experimental EFIS makers have made these cost virtually disappear in their systems. The decision to upgrade to the latest and greatest hardware mostly lies in the lap of the end user. For instance: Dynon still sells and supports a glass product that is over a decade old. The G3X platform is many years old and is even backward compatible with the new products that were introduced to freshen up the line and fill some holes. AFS and GRT still support many of their older products.
I still have a warm place in my heart for a well designed panel full of round steam but the reality is that that ship has sailed and the world is moving on.
Last edited by Brantel : 02-07-2014 at 11:13 AM.
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02-07-2014, 12:18 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Edmonds, WA
Posts: 131
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Originally Posted by humptybump
I caught a glimpse of the WideView prototype which they claim is the first true glass panel for the RV-8. It will be interesting to hear what the response is at Sun-n-Fun.

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Glen, do you have a spy in our offices?
-Robert
Dynon Avionics
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02-07-2014, 02:03 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Liberty Twp, OH
Posts: 641
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Dunno about you Robert, but I'm wondering what Rob H & AFS are going to increase to now. We've kinda run out of numerals to go to, 5400 > 5600 > 5800... What now, the AFS Super-Jumbo Neural Link 10000? 
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Scott Balmos - RV-9A N112SB
Cincinnati, OH, KHAO
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02-07-2014, 02:59 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Denver, CO
Posts: 1,967
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Brantel
Most of the hardware that brings with it the majority of the cost you are describing above are related to IFR operations and you are going to have those cost with steam as well as glass. Ground based IFR navigation is slowly going away whether we like it or not.
Most experimental EFIS makers have made these cost virtually disappear in their systems. The decision to upgrade to the latest and greatest hardware mostly lies in the lap of the end user. For instance: Dynon still sells and supports a glass product that is over a decade old. The G3X platform is many years old and is even backward compatible with the new products that were introduced to freshen up the line and fill some holes. AFS and GRT still support many of their older products.
I still have a warm place in my heart for a well designed panel full of round steam but the reality is that that ship has sailed and the world is moving on.
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Valid points.
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