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01-30-2014, 03:10 PM
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Join Date: Sep 2005
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"Everything you need for ADS-B"----Questions about Freeflight unit
All in a little blue box.
"Prices starting at $3,300" Always scares me when they lead off with "Starting at"-----and if it is "everything you need", why would the price "start at"----am I expected to buy extra stuff that I do not need???
Sounds good-----real good-----maybe too good in fact.
Anybody have any hands on experience with the Freeflight ADS-B systems???
http://freeflightsystems.com/images/rangr_adsb.pdf
Real cost, compatibility with our EFIS systems and mode C xpndrs etc.
Thanks in advance.
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VAF 909
Rv-10, N210LM.
Flying as of 12/4/2010
Phase 1 done, 2/4/2011 
Sold after 240+ wonderful hours of flight.
"Flying the airplane is more important than radioing your plight to a person on the ground incapable of understanding or doing anything about it."
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01-30-2014, 03:54 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Dallas/Ft Worth, TX
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FDL-978-TX Transmitter ADS-B Out only: $3305, with built in certified GPS: $5135
FDL-978 XVR Transceiver ADS-B In/Out: $3665, with built in certified GPS: $5495
There are lots of little details but that's the basic lineup for 978 units.
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EXP Aircraft Services LLC
Specializing in RV Condition Inspections, Maintenance, Avionics Upgrades
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01-30-2014, 03:58 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Prescott, AZ
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Very good engineering done there. Solid designs and history in certified avionics.
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01-30-2014, 06:33 PM
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Location: Dayton Airpark, NV A34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Walt
FDL-978-TX Transmitter ADS-B Out only: $3305, with built in GPS: $5135
FDL-978 XVR Transceiver ADS-B In/Out: $3665, with built in GPS: $5495
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Walt, thanks for the info-----------have you ever actually installed or used any of these??
How well do they integrate into an existing aircraft???
What/which one do I need to become compliant with 2020 requirements??
I am still baffled by their advertising claim of "Everything you need in one box", and then having more that a single box????? Logic would dictate that 3 of the boxes do not have "Everything" I need.
  
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Mike Starkey
VAF 909
Rv-10, N210LM.
Flying as of 12/4/2010
Phase 1 done, 2/4/2011 
Sold after 240+ wonderful hours of flight.
"Flying the airplane is more important than radioing your plight to a person on the ground incapable of understanding or doing anything about it."
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01-30-2014, 06:52 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: SC
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For the price of those two units, you might as well upgrade to a SkyView with their mode S transponder.
Based on Low Pass's thread the other day regarding how safe flying has become, tell me again why the FAA is mandating mode S!
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01-30-2014, 07:08 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by N941WR
For the price of those two units, you might as well upgrade to a SkyView with their mode S transponder.
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So, does that mean that the SkyView is 2020 compliant for in/out???
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Mike Starkey
VAF 909
Rv-10, N210LM.
Flying as of 12/4/2010
Phase 1 done, 2/4/2011 
Sold after 240+ wonderful hours of flight.
"Flying the airplane is more important than radioing your plight to a person on the ground incapable of understanding or doing anything about it."
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01-30-2014, 07:40 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Livermore, CA
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1. There is no rule requiring ADSB in. But it gets you free wx.
2. The FARs say you need a TSO gps position source, and a TSO transmitter, either on 978 or a mode S-ES.
So if you have a G430 which, with a software upgrade, can be the TSO position source, then the UAT transmitter is all that's required.
If you do not have a TSO position source, then they will sell you theirs, for more money.
If you want the uploaded wx and traffic, then you need the tranceiver to get ADSB in.
NavWorxs has a similar system for less, but I know nothing about it.
If you have a 430W or similar, you can also use a Trig, Garmin, or new King (made by Trig) S-ES transponder for ADSB out. In an EAB you can install any ADSB in without worrying about TSOs, none needed.
So I think you need a TSO gps to make the Skyview compliant, in addition to its TSO mode S-ES.
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01-30-2014, 08:18 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: KSGJ / TJBQ
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With the Skyview their GPS isn't TSO'd but you can use it with their transponder until 2020 when you will need a TSO'd GPS unit for compliance. I already had a G430W so it was just a matter of upgrading the software on the G430W and connecting them together.

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01-30-2014, 08:29 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GalinHdz
With the Skyview their GPS isn't TSO'd but you can use it with their transponder until 2020 when you will need a TSO'd GPS unit for compliance. I already had a G430W so it was just a matter of upgrading the software on the G430W and connecting them together.

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True, but Dynon has some time and they are known for innovation. It wouldn't surprise me if they come out with a TSO'ed unit by then.
(I don't know if they are working on such an item, I'm just dreaming.)
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RV-9 (Yes, it's a dragon tail)
O-360 w/ dual P-mags
Build the plane you want, not the plane others want you to build!
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www.repucci.com/bill/baf.html
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01-30-2014, 08:49 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Livermore, CA
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Quote:
Originally Posted by N941WR
For the price of those two units, you might as well upgrade to a SkyView with their mode S transponder.
Based on Low Pass's thread the other day regarding how safe flying has become, tell me again why the FAA is mandating mode S!
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Of course they are mandating one of two types of ADSB, one is mode S-ES; the other the UAT on 978 MHz.
It has nothing to do with safety. It's all about saving the FAA money. They get to decommision their expensive to maintain radars, and replace them with cheap receivers listening to ADSB out signals. And who gets to pay for this? Oh yea, the aircraft owners!
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