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Old 01-02-2014, 05:13 PM
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I don't know why you seem to take any and all comments as criticism and in a personal way. I thought my comments were balanced and constructive. But, in the end, they're just my two cents worth - if you don't like them, well, two cents ain't much.

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I guess you get that reaction because (some) of your postings have such a negative undertone. The sum-up of the fuel tank is exaggerated.
Is it still allowed to say that I'm very happy with the removable wings and the tank the way it is?

The plane is still relative new, wait another 5 years and all mods/improvements are included in the build.

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But, I also spent 30 years getting yelled and screamed at by the airlines, by the factory, by the FAA - and, like the military
Don't forget the pilots, hopefully Boeing makes a plane in the future where a European sized person can sit in the flight deck without bumping his head and legs all the time.

Don't take this all as criticism ......
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Old 01-02-2014, 05:23 PM
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Hey, I LOVE my -12 Dutchman, and I've posted on it repeatedly. I love the looks and flying qualities and performance. I brag about it to everyone who sees it.

But I also love my wife, but, she isn't perfect, and neither am I. And neither is the -12. Or those Boeings.....

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Old 01-02-2014, 05:45 PM
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Also again not complaining, but the idea of the new mod to tank being a 5.5 hr operation is a laugh.
Keep in mind that the quoted time is what is being credited for professionals, working in a professional shop, doing the mod. on the tank when it has already been removed during a condition inspection.
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Old 01-02-2014, 05:52 PM
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Scott - I think you misinterpreted pretty near my entire post.
I don't think so, but apparently I did regarding your comments on useful load.

If you feel that the RV-12 has far more useful load than is needed, I think are are one (maybe the only) of a very small minority.
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Old 01-02-2014, 06:16 PM
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Hey, he has been characterized as "Prickly"!
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Old 01-02-2014, 09:57 PM
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Scott,

In the Navy we said if a sailor wasn't complaining he wasn't alive! Don't take our gripes personally. They aren't meant to be. The nature of the forum is to discuss problems, not how great everything is. I know Vans has made these improvements to the tank in an effort to give us a better product, but from the comments it appears the current configuration is not popular with the customers. I know a wing tank retrofit is probably not going to happen, but the suggestion of a low profile heavy poly tank seems like a good way to maintain the wing removal feature and address many of the perceived drawbacks.

Does Vans use this website informally for design change suggestions?

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Old 01-03-2014, 12:50 AM
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It's not really the tank itself that's the problem. It's the rigid connection of the tank to the channel. I'm sure Vans will have considered lots of ways of restraining the tank, but I still can't help wondering if bolting the tank to the channel with a simple plate strap that could deform if required wouldn't avoid the problems that have occured.
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Old 01-03-2014, 06:57 PM
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Bob,

Many of us just don't like having the gas in the cockpit. When I built the tank the gaps at the corners plugged only by ProSeal seemed scary. I don't think I'll ever like having the tank there, but a thick walled poly tank would make me feel better.

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Old 01-03-2014, 09:47 PM
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It is not possible to mold a poly tank with flow control baffling inside to keep fuel at the outlet in all attitudes (kind of important).
Even if it could be done, it would be very expensive at the production volume that would be needed for the RV-12.

BTW, those prosealed corners you are concerned about having been flying on every model of RV since the RV-4 was introduced over 30 years ago.
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Old 01-03-2014, 11:04 PM
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I can understand not liking fuel in the cockpit Rich, but whether having it in the wings or in a different type of tank is any better (maybe psychologically) is debatable, I think. Anyway, it's only a problem if you crash, so my plan is to try not to.
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