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Old 12-26-2013, 04:32 PM
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With either system you won't go wrong.

In my case I studied the options for more than a year before deciding on the DYNON Skyview. Now, after more than 9mo of flying with the panel, I really believe I made the right decision. I am more than pleased with how the panel came out and its functionality.

I did mine in Houston (KDWH) with MB Company doing all the metal work. I used the FastStack system for the interconnectivity and did most of the work with the help of a young AF Avionics guy who would get under the panel when needed.

Here is a link to my web page that documents the entire process:

http://www.puertoricoflyer.com/instrument_panel.html

With this bias in mind, I highly recommend the DYNON Skyview.

PS; If you do it right, you will spend a little more than $10,000 when everything is said and done.


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Old 12-26-2013, 04:42 PM
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I used both in my 8a, if you look at the lower right panel the EIS fits perfect.
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Old 12-26-2013, 04:52 PM
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Jay,

As long as you’re getting lots of attention today….why not get the best of both worlds? With AFS you get the small company with excellent personalized support that we’ve provided for over ten years, but is now owned and backed by Dynon, the industry leader.




The AF-5000 EFIS systems give you the compatibility with your existing GRT EIS Engine monitor and TruTrak Autopilot, plus the ability to interface to the innovative Dynon Skyview network modules.

The AF-5000 EFIS has an incredibly intuitive user interface thanks to its 18 buttons, three knobs and joy stick, eliminating many of the sub-menus found in other systems. Add our optional touch-screen and it gets even easier to use. The touch-screen also provides an extremely durable layer of protection to the EFIS LCD screen with chemically hardened AR coated glass.

Here is a link to our system Pricing and Planning Worksheet:
http://www.advanced-flight-systems.com/Pricing/AF-5000%20System%20Planning%20Diagram%20and%20Price%2 0List%20Rev%203.pdf

The AF-5600 10.4" EFIS with ADAHRS is $5,600

For under $10,000 you can get a complete system including the Mode S Transponder and the new Dynon radio. The AF-5000 systems all have geo-referenced approach plates, airport diagrams, VFR sectionals, and IFR charts.

We also have a remote NAV radio and remote audio panel with IntelliVox stereo intercom


If you would like to discuss the options and pricing give us a call, we are in the office and ready to help.
(503) 263-0037

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Old 12-26-2013, 05:18 PM
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A couple of thoughts....
A shop I visited last week has been sending their panel design to a CA company that does a computer CNC model in software. Then they produce one in clear plexi... and send it to you. You check it for fit... and modifications that you did not think of. (mark it up with a sharpie for changes )You send it back and they CNC the metal panel. They laser etch all the placards and labels... finish the panel in the color you choose from the powder coat samples. When you get it back... it all fits down to the fraction of a millimeter... even the nut plates and screw holes. Can get you the name if you want.
I just did a Sandia mode C transponder in the 9A. It fit in a space that looked useless. Has built in encoder and is all digital. Low current draw and measured 997 watts effective radiated power on a military friend/foe tester.
My Dynon gives my wife and I a clear view of every engine parameter we would like to know... including data downloads when desired. Others here will no doubt help you fill in a good list of avionics to fit the budget. Cheers.
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Old 12-26-2013, 05:43 PM
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Low current draw and measured 997 watts effective radiated power on a military friend/foe tester.
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The Sandia is a 200W nominal output unit. This is spec'd as peak power though not ERP (there is no ERP spec.) Fun with numbers.
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Old 12-26-2013, 05:58 PM
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Walt, you are exactly right. The RF pwr is rated at 200. I rarely get to see a $60,000 Aeroflex tester actually working... and on my plane to boot. It is inservice for F18's etc. out of SOCAL military sites. It had a readout of encoder error... which was 10ft. total, right out of the box, with no calibration. And also showed the effective radiated power, so that is why I impressed everyone here with the massive power!
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Old 12-26-2013, 06:38 PM
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Wow! You've gotten a ton of advice on what to install. But what about who installs it? I'll echo what others have said about Stein. If you want someone that knows how to upgrade panels in RVs, it's hard to beat Steinair........ except maybe for Redline. If Stein is too busy right now, consider Jon Thocker at Redline. Ask Stein, he'll agree, Jon has worked closely with him on several panel upgrades. And he may be able to come and pick it up and fly it to his shop for the upgrade. He's done that before too. As the Dynon rep says, you can probably get it done for close to your $10K price, but you'll be doing the work. If you hire it done, you might as well get the best in the business in RV panel upgrades. It'll save you money in the long run. Steinair or Redline - they're both excellent.
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Old 12-26-2013, 06:52 PM
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Walt, you are exactly right. The RF pwr is rated at 200. I rarely get to see a $60,000 Aeroflex tester actually working... and on my plane to boot. It is inservice for F18's etc. out of SOCAL military sites. It had a readout of encoder error... which was 10ft. total, right out of the box, with no calibration. And also showed the effective radiated power, so that is why I impressed everyone here with the massive power!
Sandia does make excellent equipment. My aeroflex tester measures power output as ERP as well (the civilian version costs a little less than the mil spec model!).
I'm not really sure what they were measuring but the FAA spec for transponders is 125-500W ERP. Output power is not allowed to exceed 500W ERP.
I'd have to fail you on the xpdr test with that much power :-)
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Old 12-26-2013, 07:27 PM
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10 grand is a lot of money to spend to save money in the long run. i would rather read that you get a perfect job and you are ready to fly.
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Old 12-27-2013, 12:06 AM
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Wow! Thanks, everyone, for the great (and, as expected, often conflicting) advice!

I really, really, REALLY like the remote radio tuning via Android app from the back seat. When we bought our plane, we had the back cockpit outfitted with throttle and rudder pedals, so that we wouldn't feel totally helpless (I've actually landed our -8A from the back cockpit) -- but without a way to tune the radio, we would be screwed if the front-seater became incapacitated in controlled airspace.

I really, REALLY like the idea of being able to stash my EIS behind the panel, connect one wire, and have a modern engine monitor display. Several people have recommended that I do that as a "half step" and simply add that display (called the "Sport", I think?), a new digital transponder, a second PS Engineering com radio (the one with built-in audio panel, so I could keep my other com), and call it a day.

Obviously that would save us huge bucks over replacing everything.

We still would end up hating the GNC-300XL GPS, though. I could live with that, but listening to Mary complain about it on every flight is starting to wear me down.

Jeez. Nothing like too many options. "Analysis paralysis" is setting in!
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