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12-01-2013, 03:50 PM
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Thanks Steve. This is one of those questions that I think a lot of us have been trying to get a grip on, most of this year. With out getting into what or what not the "FAA" may or may not do over the next 7-8 years with this subject. Can you tell us if there is movement or a strong lobby to try and get this rule eased a bit were the current standards used in hardware of the G3X may be used for this reporting requirement. We all have seen this in the past with rule making. And, "yes that was a start" with the cost of electronics getting better all the time. Is it reasonable to be able to upgrade the G3X to meat the current standard set out for the rule as it stands today.
I hope to make it up to you for that bad start with a joke and beverage at a fly-in some day. Yours as always. R.E.A. III #80888
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12-01-2013, 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Robert Anglin
Thanks Steve. This is one of those questions that I think a lot of us have been trying to get a grip on, most of this year. With out getting into what or what not the "FAA" may or may not do over the next 7-8 years with this subject. Can you tell us if there is movement or a strong lobby to try and get this rule eased a bit were the current standards used in hardware of the G3X may be used for this reporting requirement. We all have seen this in the past with rule making. And, "yes that was a start" with the cost of electronics getting better all the time. Is it reasonable to be able to upgrade the G3X to meat the current standard set out for the rule as it stands today.
I hope to make it up to you for that bad start with a joke and beverage at a fly-in some day. Yours as always. R.E.A. III #80888
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Hello Robert,
We believe the FAA understands the dilemma that VFR pilots face with regard to the current regulations requiring a certified position source, but we are not aware of any plans to change the regulations in this area.
While any G3X can be upgraded to include a certified position source like the GPS 400W and be made 2020 compliant, without a rule change it doesn't seem likely that the non-certified WAAS GPS built-into each G3X display will ever be compliant.
Thanks,
Steve
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12-01-2013, 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by g3xpert
Hello Robert,
We believe the FAA understands the dilemma that VFR pilots face with regard to the current regulations requiring a certified position source, but we are not aware of any plans to change the regulations in this area.
While any G3X can be upgraded to include a certified position source like the GPS 400W and be made 2020 compliant, without a rule change it doesn't seem likely that the non-certified WAAS GPS built-into each G3X display will ever be compliant.
Thanks,
Steve
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what does it entail to add a 400W to a flying dual G3X setup? (gad 29??? or not \) And will this alone satisfy the 2020 requirement as it stands today?
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12-02-2013, 05:22 AM
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Join Date: Sep 2010
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Originally Posted by Dbro172
what does it entail to add a 400W to a flying dual G3X setup? (gad 29??? or not \) And will this alone satisfy the 2020 requirement as it stands today?
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Hello Derek,
For your G3X system using a GSU 25 and GEA 24 (instead of a GSU 73), you would need to add a GAD 29 for the A429 connections for the GPS 400W.
Yes, with your existing GTX 23ES 1090 ES transponder and GDL 39R ADS-B traffic/weather receiver you have a fully functional ADS-B In/Out system, you just need to add the FAR 91.227 compliant position source and you are all set for 2020.
As shown in the installation manual, a single RS-232 interface between the GPS 400W and the GTX 23ES adds that data to your ADS-B Out squitter. The transponder will automatically choose the GPS 400W position data over the G3X non-certified position data when it sees that it is available.
Thanks,
Steve
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12-03-2013, 09:29 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Prospect, KY
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GNS430 QUESTION FOR STEVE
Steve,
Will this GNS430W work for the FAR 2020 requirement: PN: 011-01060-00
Mod up to 19
SN: 23400725
Can you tell me above what SN the 430W is compatible with 2020 equipment please?
Thanks a million!
Brad
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12-03-2013, 12:05 PM
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Join Date: Sep 2010
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Originally Posted by Warbirdsolutions
Steve,
Will this GNS430W work for the FAR 2020 requirement: PN: 011-01060-00
Mod up to 19
SN: 23400725
Can you tell me above what SN the 430W is compatible with 2020 equipment please?
Thanks a million!
Brad
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Hello Brad,
You are welcome.
Any GNS 400W/500W unit, including your GNS 430W, may be up upgraded with Service Bulletin 1317 to Main Software V5.03/GPS Software V5.0 for ADS-B Out compliance with the 2020 mandate.
Thanks,
Steve
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12-03-2013, 04:46 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Prospect, KY
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Service Bulletin 1317
Steve,
Is it necessary to send a 430W in to Garmin for this SB or can a Garmin dealer do it? Any idea what it costs to have this SB complied with?
Thanks again!
Brad
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12-03-2013, 06:24 PM
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Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Olathe, KS
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Originally Posted by Warbirdsolutions
Steve,
Is it necessary to send a 430W in to Garmin for this SB or can a Garmin dealer do it? Any idea what it costs to have this SB complied with?
Thanks again!
Brad
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Hello Brad,
This SB is completed at a Garmin Dealer. Here is a link to SB 1317 if you want to read the details.
It requires two software loader cards for which we charge a small deposit to the dealer, but we return the deposit when the cards are returned so there is no charge for the software.
Each dealer will likely want to charge some labor. Please contact a dealer for the labor estimate.
Thanks,
Steve
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12-08-2013, 07:20 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Littleton, CO
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Thread drift Screen Cleaning
Sorry for the drift....
The manual is specific, DO NOT clean the screens (375s, 650s etc.) with window cleaner, especially anything with ammonia. The big box stores (specifically COSTCO) sell a spray cleaner for eyeglasses with antireflective coatings. Would that product be OK for the screens..... What really kills the antireflective coatings so I can stay away from it.

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12-08-2013, 07:23 AM
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Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Newport, TN
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A damp microfiber cloth using distilled water works for me.
No way I am squirting any chemicals on my high dollar screens.
We had some "computer safe" screen wipes at work and after one use on some LCD screens, it damaged the coating on the screen. I will never trust that stuff!
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