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Old 11-19-2013, 05:20 PM
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The hazard here is that the FAA could agree, and then place "no-medical" pilots under the Sport Pilot restrictions -
Actually, that's pretty much the way the AOPA / EAA petition would work. It wouldn't eliminate the Cl III; instead, it would generally allow a waiver for those who take on on line aeromedical course and have a driver's license. This waiver would only be good for Recreational Pilot (not Sport Pilot) limitations - day VFR under 10,000, fixed gear, 180 hp or less, no more than 4 seats but no more than pilot +1.

A lot of RVs would fit under that (as well as a lot of 152s, 172s, Cherokees, etc.).

I just renewed, but were the exemption to go through - I'm not so sure I wouldn't just opt out of Cl III medicals in the future.

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Old 11-19-2013, 05:26 PM
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Actually, that's pretty much the way the AOPA / EAA petition would work. It wouldn't eliminate the Cl III; instead, it would generally allow a waiver for those who take on on line aeromedical course and have a driver's license. This waiver would only be good for Recreational Pilot (not Sport Pilot) limitations - day VFR under 10,000, fixed gear, 180 hp or less, no more than 4 seats but no more than pilot +1.

A lot of RVs would fit under that (as well as a lot of 152s, 172s, Cherokees, etc.).

I just renewed, but were the exemption to go through - I'm not so sure I wouldn't just opt out of Cl III medicals in the future.

Dan
Thanks for the clarification.... around here west bound cruise at 8,500 would really be a pain...
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Old 11-19-2013, 05:39 PM
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I have now sent an email to both my congressman and senator to join the caucus. Neither were members.
Brian, 6'3-240 = 30 bmi
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Old 11-19-2013, 05:53 PM
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I have now sent an email to both my congressman and senator to join the caucus. Neither were members.
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Brian, 6'3-240 = 30 bmi
Yes, my math was intentional...

Everyone needs to understand that due to the language in this memo on the new policy, it looks like they will be targeting a BMI of 30 or lower at some point since they have stated in that memo that they believe 30% of people with a BMI of 30 have OSA and they also state they plan to gradually lower the BMI limit until all pilots with undiagnosed OSA are found.

This thing has no bottom end limiter based on the language in that memo! 40 today will be 30 or less tomorrow....

Important quotes from the memo:

"OSA is almost universal in obese individuals who have
a body mass index over 40 and a neck circumference of
17 inches or more, but up to 30% of individuals with
a BMI less than 30 have OSA.
"

"Once we have appropriately dealt with every airman examinee
who has a BMI of 40 or greater, we will gradually expand the
testing pool by going to lower BMI measurements until we
have identified and assured treatment for every airman with
OSA
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Old 11-19-2013, 07:08 PM
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I wonder if this will also apply to our military flight crews. Fighter jocks are one thing, but aircrew members in the back in the cabin doing "weenie" stuff are something else.
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This is, obviously, a BIG DEAL. This drive to search out obstructive sleep apnea is without precedent, as far as I can tell. BMI does not always predict OSA, as has been pointed out. The BIG DEAL is that when we start down this preventive medicine road and start mandating testing for possible disease states with minimal/no evidence of impact on aviation safety....where does it stop? How about smokers, people who are overdue colonoscopies, high cholesterol levels and on it goes? Do we do stress tests on every one with some of these factors? Where is line drawn? We are not arguing the "good medicine" of lifestyle changes but let's have a strong correlation with data that the specific condition is a threat to safety before mandating expensive testing and further overloading an overloaded special issuance process. GA does not need any more gut punches.

I am on the EAA aeromedical council (one of six volunteer pilots who are aerospace medicine physicians) and we are "on it" using our relationship with the FAA to, hopefully, influence this in a rational, favorable way. We have letters sent and contacts have been made. As usual, EAA works more behind the scenes but rest assured our/your concerns are being effectively addressed. Congressman Graves is my friend and congressman. I am sure that he would like your district's congressional assistance in this struggle.

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Old 11-19-2013, 08:18 PM
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I have OSA (with a BMI of 22.5) and use a CPAP. To qualify for Medical Certification, I had to take a Wakefulness test. My sleep doctor required that I undergo four test periods of 40 minutes each, in complete darkness, although the FAA only required 20 minute periods. You can't take caffeine for the test nor can you nap between test periods. I wore 16-20 sensor electrodes during the tests. Of course you can't get a good night's sleep the night before because you are worrying about the test outcome.

The only good thing was that the doctor accepted Medicare reimbursement as full payment; otherwise it would have cost me $2000. My medical insurance would not have paid for testing.
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Thanks Doc Owen, I very much appreciate your work on behalf of GA. PS, I don't have a dog in this specific dog race as my BMI is in the "normal" range (even though BMI is a joke really... for example, if we are athletic and visit the gym regularly we will be on the high side of "normal" BMI with muscle mass and bone density being on the positive side of healthy).

But we all know well enough that one out of whack unchallenged attempt begets new and numerous out of line attempts in the same category and class. It's high time to reign in this little corner of over reaching, over regulating and over bearing culture.
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Old 11-20-2013, 06:48 AM
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This is, obviously, a BIG DEAL. This drive to search out obstructive sleep apnea is without precedent ... I am on the EAA aeromedical council ...
Maybe this will turn out to be a hopelessly flawed idea that, in the end, serves as a basis to consider removing the CL III requirement altogether, or at the least, pushing the exemption petition to approval.

Christmas is not too far away!

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