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Old 11-19-2013, 06:37 AM
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Thank you Sam. This thread most definitely is RV related. I was very sad to see it deleted last night. Glad to see in brought back to life.
Just to make RV related a bit more, I wonder how this may effect RV-14 sales and drive people back to RV-12. (not saying RV-14 is for any particular type of people but just more comfy for Higher BMI people)
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Old 11-19-2013, 08:06 AM
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Default Insurance company's

Insurance company's are the driving force behind the data.I've been to the doctors office a few times this year and BMI is a new block up in the corner of pre exam form filled out by the assistant along with LDL/HDL ratio,Blood pressure,presenting complaint. Four points

1. Everything is paperless but still compartmentalized within a health care system.Be careful about what you present to your doctor,ask to talk to him off the record before your visit about your FAA concerns.have a list of medications that are and are not approved before they enter something in the record that will red flag your file. Arrive 15 minuets early,check in,sit in a chair and meditate,I use this time to communicate with my maker.Get your blood pressure as low as can,relax for a least 10 minuets before they take your pressure.

2. Now you know what the standards are,start working towards them.There is no point in "Dieing to keep your medical!" Big Corporations have already determined if your over the age of 56 your of no use to them anymore and you can expire of natural causes without affecting the statistics.It's hard to lose weight as the same big corporations supply processed food that is slowly killing us all. Eat better & Eat less. stay active...you know the drill.

3. Adapt a new mind set. I have the Bee Gees "Stayin' Alive" downloaded to my mp3,comes on when I'm out walking.

4. Support VAF/EAA/AOPA. Write letters when requested for less then $125 a year they are our only voices in Washington. Oh yea get a subscription to Kit Planes.... It's never been better.IMHO
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Old 11-19-2013, 08:21 AM
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I think the Federal Air Surgeon, Mr. Fred Tilton, is way overstepping his authority by unilaterally imposing a "policy" change with such far reaching impact. If this is something that he feels so strongly about, it should be a regulatory change proposal to FAR Part 67 (Medical Standards) that requires a NPRM process so it can be properly vetted, justified by some basis of facts, discussed, amended and/or probably rejected. I would imagine all the alphabet groups like EAA and AOPA will at the least pursue this avenue.

Areas like this is where AOPA and EAA can do their most good.
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Old 11-19-2013, 08:36 AM
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Dont know if it will do any good or not, but I did send EAA and AOPA a note about this.

"The newly released FAA **** about checking BMI--------------this needs to be stopped immediately or sooner. This is a condemnation based solely on conjecture not fact. Profiling at its ugliest."
And, I got this reply from AOPA in my email this morning.

Dear Mr. Starkey,

Thank you for your email. We agree with you 150% and will aggressively fight any implementation of the proposal. Please see the lead article on the AOPA website for more information.

http://www.aopa.org/News-and-Video/A...aspx?CMP=ADV:1

The FAA continues to evaluate our petition for an exemption to the 3rd class medical requirement for what we term ?recreational flying.? Mark met recently with FAA Administrator Huerta to keep the pressure on them to make a decision soon. We are also exploring legislative avenues that would accomplish the same end goal.

All the best,


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Old 11-19-2013, 09:53 AM
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I have not heard or seen any accident reports indicating sleeping as a cause.....
There is one, but I also fail to see how one (or more) accident due to the pilot falling asleep could result in such a major change in medical certification.

The above linked fatality is the subject of Peter Garrison's excellent analysis in his monthly column in FLYING magazine this month (December issue).
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Old 11-19-2013, 10:08 AM
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Default Why worry?

Anyone with a BMI over 40 wouldn't fit in a RV.

Seriously though, a BMI over 40 is grossly unhealthy. It isn't "fat", it's morbidly obese. Maybe OSA isn't a significant problem in aviation, but it is a serious problem. Perhaps instead of claiming another FAA conspiracy theory, we should view this as a wake-up call for improving our lifestyle and health.

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Old 11-19-2013, 10:43 AM
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Who has OSA who when asking his AME back in the 90's about it received this sage advice. He asked the pilot: "have you ever fallen asleep while flying?" The pilot responded: "no". So the AME, now deceased, said to the pilot: "keep your OSA to yourself". This pilot held a commercial, MEI rating with over 2100 hours of safe PIC time. BTW the AME was also a pilot with an instrument rating.
My personal situation is such with CAD (coronary artery disease) that I am subject to an annual physical, stress test like Brantel, and cardiac evaluation.
So I sold my partner my RV7, bought the RV1 MockingBird, and will go light sport.
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Old 11-19-2013, 11:12 AM
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Maybe OSA isn't a significant problem in aviation, but it is a serious problem. Perhaps instead of claiming another FAA conspiracy theory, we should view this as a wake-up call for improving our lifestyle and health.

Jim
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Weight peaked at 211 and I'm now down to 195. 185 is my goal.
I still think the major issue here is the precedence this would set. Not only for the FAA to dictate a pilot's life style but also to target risk groups and not those that actual have a particular medical condition. It leads the healthy to have to spend time and money to prove they are healthy.
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Old 11-19-2013, 11:23 AM
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Default BMI

As someone who has been in the health and fitness field for many years (and competes in fitness and figure competitions), I have to chime in with the rest that BMI is one of the least accurate measurements of someone's health and fitness available. With a body fat percentage of close to 20% in my off season, my BMI score still lists me as OVERWEIGHT.

Unnecessary, uncalled for, and unbelievably inaccurate.
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Old 11-19-2013, 11:31 AM
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Default The flip side

Many of the previous posts make valid points about what appears to be a precipitous and perhaps overreaching policy. On the other hand, a male of average height with a BMI of 40 is approximately 100 lbs. overweight; morbidly obese. Most will have obstructive sleep apnea, and many will also be hypertensive and diabetic. If that describes you, I understand that you want to continue to fly, whether or not it is prudent. Would you want to be a passenger of such a pilot?

Several posters have commented on the shortcomings of the BMI. It is actually a reasonably good screening tool, even though it does not distinguish between an increase in fat versus muscle. The occasional power lifter or body builder packing an extra 50-100 lbs. of muscle is at nearly as much health risk as an individual carrying an equivalent amount of fat. The extra pounds put added stress on heart and lungs, either way. Very few people in this country with a BMI of 40 are not obese.

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