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11-15-2013, 08:54 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2010
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Program Letter
I just became aware of a requirement of a "Program Letter" you must submit to the FSDO in order to obtain an AW certificate. For an ELSA the following is required to be posted in clear view of the passenger, and to comply apparently must include words passenger and experimental spelled incorrectly on your panel warning:
"PASSENTER NOTICE - THIS AIRCRAFT IS AN EXPERMENTAL
LIGHT-SPORT AIRCRAFT AND DOES NOT COMPLY WITH
FEDERAL SAFETY REGULATIONS FOR STANDARD AIRCRAFT."
I cannot however find the necessary wording for the warning on an EAB aircraft, don't know if it must be spelled wrong as well.
See the letter here: http://torstensrv-12.blogspot.com/
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11-15-2013, 09:07 AM
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Join Date: May 2008
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11-15-2013, 09:26 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: 57AZ - NW Tucson area
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mrt890
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To be more precise, page 22 here.
FAA link to AC 20-27
It's worth reading the entire AC though.
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Half completed RV-10 QB purchased
RV-6A N61GX - finally flying
Grumman Tiger N12GA - flying
La Cholla Airpark (57AZ) Tucson AZ
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11-15-2013, 09:26 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: La Feria Texas
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Disregard the spelling complaint, Torsten did that when he copied it or something.
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11-15-2013, 09:49 AM
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Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Dallas area
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DonFromTX
I just became aware of a requirement of a "Program Letter" you must submit to the FSDO in order to obtain an AW certificate. For an ELSA the following is required to be posted in clear view of the passenger, and to comply apparently must include words passenger and experimental spelled incorrectly on your panel warning:
"PASSENTER NOTICE - THIS AIRCRAFT IS AN EXPERMENTAL
LIGHT-SPORT AIRCRAFT AND DOES NOT COMPLY WITH
FEDERAL SAFETY REGULATIONS FOR STANDARD AIRCRAFT."
I cannot however find the necessary wording for the warning on an EAB aircraft, don't know if it must be spelled wrong as well.
See the letter here: http://torstensrv-12.blogspot.com/
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Don,
Didn't I send you a paperwork package? The exact wording is on the program letter that I send out.
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EAA Flight Advisor/Tech Counselor, Friend of the RV-1
Recipient of Tony Bingelis Award and Wright Brothers Master Pilot Award
USAF Vet, High School E-LSA Project Mentor.
RV-6 Flying since 1993 (sold)
<rvmel(at)icloud.com>
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11-15-2013, 11:59 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: La Feria Texas
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Yes Mel, you did. I had thought later that is where I should have looked. I notice there is disagreement as to if it should say "Passenger Warning" or "Passenger Notice". Does it really make any difference?
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11-15-2013, 12:23 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: 57AZ - NW Tucson area
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The FAA AC uses these words -
?Passenger Warning: This aircraft is amateur-built and does not comply with Federal safety regulations for standard aircraft.?
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EAA Technical Counselor, Airframe Mechanic
Half completed RV-10 QB purchased
RV-6A N61GX - finally flying
Grumman Tiger N12GA - flying
La Cholla Airpark (57AZ) Tucson AZ
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11-15-2013, 12:32 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Ellsworth, ME
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Don not sure if it has changed
d. Operation Outside Flight Test Area. The procedures outlined under section 7,
paragraph 136 of this order are applicable for amateur-built aircraft. During operation outside the
flight test area, the following placard must be displayed in the aircraft in full view of all occupants:
?NOTE: PASSENGER WARNING?THIS AIRCRAFT IS AMATEUR-BUILT AND DOES NOT
COMPLY WITH FEDERAL SAFETY REGULATIONS FOR STANDARD AIRCRAFT.?
From the link http://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/m...F%20Ch%204.pdf
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11-15-2013, 01:09 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Dallas area
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Don, It should read "PASSENGER WARNING".
David, I notice in your picture that your airspeed indicator has the range markings on the glass. When done this way, you need to include an "anti-rotation" mark continuing from the glass across the bezel. This shows if the glass has rotated, thereby moving the range markings.
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EAA Flight Advisor/Tech Counselor, Friend of the RV-1
Recipient of Tony Bingelis Award and Wright Brothers Master Pilot Award
USAF Vet, High School E-LSA Project Mentor.
RV-6 Flying since 1993 (sold)
<rvmel(at)icloud.com>
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11-23-2013, 06:12 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Columbia Station
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Mel, a good tip. Learn something new every day.
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