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Old 10-07-2013, 06:23 AM
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Default Cable Ties Black vs White

I have been told that some DAR?s prefer Black cable ties or White cable ties because the black ties hold up better to UV light. I do see that Van?s use both black and white. (IE. White cable ties included in the light kit) I plan to use only black cable ties, but I would look for feedback on this subject.
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Old 10-07-2013, 06:39 AM
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Old tales from times gone by. One can buy both black or white in the UV resistant materials. You can also buy black or white in non-uv resistant.

So what you really need to look at is the specs for the ones you are buying- in UV resistance, temp range and strength.

You don't have to get Mil standard ones to be good, but if you do get mil standard ones at least you can readily identify the properties.

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Old 10-07-2013, 07:23 AM
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Where would you use cable ties where they're exposed to UV? The only place I use them is to tie off wires inside the fuse where they're hidden. Just curious!
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Old 10-07-2013, 07:42 AM
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The cables are not exposed to UV, I am just trying to figure out if anyone had hear of getting hassled by FAA or DAR's about the use of Black vs White. I was told this story by a guy who built an RV6 about three years ago.
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Old 10-07-2013, 06:04 PM
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I have run into some inspectors that still prescribe to the thought that somehow black ties are better. Even had one looking for the type of tie that has a metal finger that secures the tie, instead of plastic. However the specs for the mil type tell the story on the breaking strength and the resistance to the elements and aging.

I have used white for years, rarely ever seen black in a certified airplane.

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Old 10-07-2013, 07:43 PM
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Well, I have purple,green,red, blue,white and black behind my instrument panel. The colors denote different sizes, and besides, that's what I had.


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Old 10-07-2013, 10:02 PM
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I could see no particular rationale for a DAR to quibble over the color or brand of your zip ties. If s/he did, I might look for a new DAR. I would rather have that inspector looking for something that is a real airworthiness issue (size, maybe).

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Old 10-07-2013, 10:45 PM
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Default Split the difference..Go blue!

A little away from your question, but I used the Blue Tefzel cable ties (available from Stein) FWF. Yes, they are a little pricy, but I liked the high temperature rating, resistance to chemicals, and excellent flammability rating. Will it make a difference..??..I hope not..but I sleep well at night.

Regardless of your choice, I highly suggest you get a cable tie gun. It makes the installation very professional looking, and there is nothing worse than sticking you hand into the FWF area, and getting cut by a left-over sharp nylon zip tie edge. Also, I was advised not to use a cable tie to secure anything to the engine mount, as it can actually reduce the integrity of the mount in certain circumstances. Behind the panel, I used waxed lacing cord and tied it..looks good and works well. YMMV. Take care.
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Old 10-08-2013, 12:43 AM
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Default Engine mount integrity?

Hi,

I am curious as to the comment:

"Also, I was advised not to use a cable tie to secure anything to the engine mount, as it can actually reduce the integrity of the mount in certain circumstances."

How is this possible. I don't understand how this could be the case. I am not trying to be silly here because we mount Adel clamps here and they would no doubt have to cause the same issues.

Are you able to provide a reasoning for this statement?

Thanks in advance.
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Old 10-08-2013, 06:01 AM
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Hi,

I am curious as to the comment:

"Also, I was advised not to use a cable tie to secure anything to the engine mount, as it can actually reduce the integrity of the mount in certain circumstances."

How is this possible. I don't understand how this could be the case. I am not trying to be silly here because we mount Adel clamps here and they would no doubt have to cause the same issues.

Are you able to provide a reasoning for this statement?

Thanks in advance.
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