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05-22-2005, 08:41 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Dallas, TX
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FYI...
Dynon isn't immune to broken promises and shipping delays either... I know from a friend of mine who FINALLY received his back from repair after several weeks of "It'll ship tomorrow" phone calls.
Granted, they do a better job than most though and I admire that. BMA should take a lesson.
I'll be the first to tell anyone.. the Efis/one isn't plug and play. Don't buy it if you expect a quick and painless install. But, if you are willing to spend some time with it, you'll be pleased.
Last point...
You're not going to get a check back for a charge to a "friend's" credit card. If the friend disputes the charge later, the vendor is out $1550. You better tell your friend to call their card company to dispute the charge and get the check from your friend.
Good luck!
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05-22-2005, 02:59 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: KPYM
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Yes, Odds of getting a check in return will be quite slim.
One thing I like about the Dynon company, is their willingness to communicate publicly with we builders! Case in point, their web forum. I would think that if a company had skeletons in their closet, they wouldn't have a public BBS for people to hash it out on.
I know, this all can be moderated... but if that were the case it would be added workload to extinguish those fires if they became numerous! It looks like they have many happy customers!
Me? I am not ready for a decision yet, but this all goes into the equation.
Glen, please keep us posted! I, and others surely are interested!
 CJ
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05-22-2005, 04:28 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Kirland, WA
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Blue Mountain also has a forum and it has been in place much longer than Dynon's. As far as I can tell they haven't been deleting any of the negative messages, including ones complaining about late deliveries (search for G3).
If you did any homework on BMA it would be pretty clear that delivery targets are soft to say the least, not that that is an excuse for them. I've been quite impressed with the accessiblity you have directly to their engineers.
As far as I can tell their engineering department is working very hard to make the best system they can and they do take input from thier users.
Chuck
PS I don't have a BMA product and I don't work for them, just been doing my homework for when the cashflow = dreams...
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05-22-2005, 05:10 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: KPYM
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Originally Posted by chuck
Blue Mountain also has a forum and it has been in place much longer than Dynon's. As far as I can tell they haven't been deleting any of the negative messages, including ones complaining about late deliveries (search for G3).
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Okay, this was not aware of. I trust you if you say so. I will surf around and offer them due diligence.
I dare say that I am of the "plug and play" group. I don't want something that requires too much prior knowledge. I don't mind learning a new trick, but I don't want to get my double E on this project!
 CJ
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05-23-2005, 12:51 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: San Antonio, TX
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I purchased two of the BMA G3s and thought I'd throw in my comments.
Their delay time was really long in getting the units shipped. I agree that Sheila seems to tell you what you want to hear, just to get you off the phone. (Been there, believe me! I'd rather hear the truth and then wait it out rather than be disappointed.)
The units really do look nice and the displays are great. My plane isn't flying yet, but close, so I can't comment on actual flight.
The G3, in my mind, offers a lot more than Dynon, for basically the same price. (Moving map GPS, to name one and the ability to tie into an autopilot.)
Dynon does offer AOA and BMA does not, although they say they will support it.
I am a little concerned about how difficult it will be to upgrade the G3 from downloads, but this is required for the GPS database if you want to keep it updated. Additionally, it does allow for the overall device to be updated with new bells and whistles as they are developed.
As someone said, the manuals could use some updating and editing, but they are getting better all the time. I find this to be normal for many electronic products. But, BMA is good about answering questions and helping you get things worked out, at least they have been for me.
If you want basic plug and play and are happy with the functionality that Dynon provides, I think it is the way to go.
If you want more...HSI, GPS, Autopilot, ability to get new features over time, you might want to check out BMA. (I don't know if Dynon lets you create check lists, but the BMA G3 does.)
I've had thoughts about whether or not I should have purchased BMA or not, but they offer all of the things I want in a great looking package, so I'll work it out and probably be pretty happy in the long run.
Just my 2 cents worth.
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05-23-2005, 01:44 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Payson, AZ
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Originally Posted by ClayR_9A
Last point...
You're not going to get a check back for a charge to a "friend's" credit card. If the friend disputes the charge later, the vendor is out $1550. You better tell your friend to call their card company to dispute the charge and get the check from your friend.
Good luck!
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Yep! You can take that to the bank, so to speak!
-mike
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Resuming building after a 4ish year hiatus! (life got in the way)
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05-24-2005, 11:16 AM
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Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Mansfield TX
Posts: 339
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Why limit your choices to only BMA and Dynon?
I haven't had a single bad experience with Grand Rapids Technologies
products. Basically, truely, plug and play. Software updates via a USB
card. Lighter than steam guages. Sunlight readable. Highly configurable.
Split screen capable. Embedded engine monitoring (with EIS).
I did have one hardware issue: I had one of the first AHRS units. I got
a call from GRT indicating that they would like to upgrade the AHRS unit.
They sent me a prepaid packing box. I mailed it back to them and in a
week I had the new updated unit. Cost? $0.
Have you heard ANYBODY complain about their products or service?
I don't remember a single bad posting, ever.
Have they made promises they couldn't keep? Nope.
Do they continue to improve the product and provide those improvements
at zero cost? Yes.
Do they have a history of proven products and service? You bet.
I am not affiliated in any way with GRT. But I am very satisfied so far
and I haven't seen mention of their products in this thread. And yes,
I am biased. I could give you change for my 2cts.
Walter Tondu
http://rv7-a.com
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05-24-2005, 12:52 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: St. Paul, MN.
Posts: 4,792
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Walter:
Tell us more. Why did you choose Grand Rapids. What's the price? What cool features led to your decision etc.
You're right. I haven't heard anything bad about them and, speaking for me, they'd be in the mix.
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05-24-2005, 01:00 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Twin Cities
Posts: 438
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Hey Bob,
Just a suggestion, but since you are in the twin cities, as I am, I suggest you call Steinair. They had, and may still have a GRT system in the shop in a panel they are building. It was awesome, and I think you might enjoy the chance to see/touch/feel the unit and discuss prices.
Stein is located at the Jensen Airfield, easily reached from the TC.
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05-24-2005, 01:44 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 52
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I would like to add a vote for my Dynon D10A. I love it- it can keep up with my aileron rolls and wifferdills. I can read it with my bifocal sunglasses so I don't know what those complaints are all about. With the Stein Air (sp?) wiring harness it was an easy install. I haven't flown any of the competing EFIS products so ignorance may be bliss. Steve in Corsicana
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