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Old 09-04-2013, 05:54 PM
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Default Can I add stuff to a S-LSA?

I'm confused. Can an A&P or AI install non factory avionics in a Van's S-LSA RV12?

I assume any installation would require an STC or a field approval but I am not sure of that.

What is the reg?

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Old 09-04-2013, 06:27 PM
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No! Not without written permission from the aircraft manufacturer.

Read paragraph (6) of your operating limitations.

Your only other option would be to re-certificate it as an ELSA.
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Old 09-04-2013, 06:57 PM
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So lets throw out the scenario-

SL-40 that comes standard dies and needs to be replaced. Can't I just pay an avionics shop to put the 15k garmin 430w in there?
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Old 09-04-2013, 07:00 PM
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As I said before; NO! Not without written permission of the aircraft manufacturer.
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Old 09-04-2013, 07:27 PM
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Mel is absolutely correct, you need permission in writing to change anything.
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Old 09-04-2013, 08:30 PM
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+1 to the others' comments.

Many S-LSA manufacturers have given blanket approvals for avionics other than the factory options; not sure about Vans.

Strangest mod I ever saw was a glider variometer (Cambridge 302) in a CTSW. Owner said it thermaled like a glider at 3500 RPM.

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Old 09-04-2013, 09:21 PM
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Who is the manufacturer of the RV-12's coming out of Synergy Air, Van's or Synergy?
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Old 09-04-2013, 09:42 PM
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Who is the manufacturer of the RV-12's coming out of Synergy Air, Van's or Synergy?
Van's is... In the same way Boeing is the Mfr of the 787, even though it has major components built on just about every major continent of the globe.
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Old 09-05-2013, 12:38 AM
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As Mel says, no.

To some extent, Vans has a history of not approving of changes to their design, although the SLSA market is a new beast for them and we have yet to see where they will fall; either with the experimental spirit or with the "let's lessen our liability and our support issues" spirit.

What you can expect: In some time when Van's upgrades the avionics in their aircraft and begins to deliver the new SLSA's with something new, I would expect them to allow them to be fitted retroactively.

LSA rules, established by the ATSM committee, give a great deal of power to the manufacturer. That gives them the ability to be open, as with some manufacturers, or more conservative.

As mentioned, you could take your SLSA, when you can finally get one, and turn it into an ELSA via a paperwork process, but I believe it can never go back, it's a one-way road. Mel?
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Old 09-05-2013, 06:27 AM
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As mentioned, you could take your SLSA, when you can finally get one, and turn it into an ELSA via a paperwork process, but I believe it can never go back, it's a one-way road. Mel?
Technically it could go back, but that would have to be done by the original manufacturer, and it would be highly unlikely. They would have to go through the entire aircraft and make sure that everything again meets their original specs, very similar to a type certificate.
For practical purposes, yes it is a one-way road.
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