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Old 08-29-2013, 10:29 AM
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You did the right thing by filing the NASA report. Many times flying IFR and VFR I have been forgotten. Not so much IFR but at least 5 times. I usually keep up with sector changes marked on the Charts really bad Memphis high to Memphis low altitude sectors. Going into Harrison, Ark. We usually get pretty antsi when were 90 miles out and still at FL380 and several times have called only to be told to standby.... Then about 60 miles out we get slammed dunked to the lower altitudes.

VFR it haapen a lot. Folks are busy with IFR. Traffic and they just forget about the little guys fling VFR. When under VFR if I am at an altitude that would put me in someone elses airspace I have oftened called ahead to advise the tower that were under flight following 25 south for examples and talking to xyzatc.
Most times I get a thanks and an altimeter readingto which I. Thank them and then go back to the other frequency..nothing is perfect... You did nothing wrong and if you ever have a situation like that you can always call the center and get a supervisor on thephone and have them pull the tapes. You will probably be thanked for bring it to their attention, just makesure your right!
you dont have to do this. airspace looks nothing like the ones depicted on vfr sectionals. my last facility had a 20 mile TRSA but the airspace went out another 20 miles beyond that in oblong directions. a lot of the time you're talking to one controller and in another controller's airspace for 25 miles without even knowing it
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Old 08-29-2013, 10:31 AM
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Very educational discussion...thank you everyone!
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Old 09-04-2013, 09:20 PM
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When VFR, the controllers have responsibility only when you are actually in their airspace. As noted previously, FF is voluntary on their part, so be prepared to be dropped at any time.
Just a minor correction here, but FF is actually not voluntary on their part, controllers are required to provide the service unless it interferes with their primary responsibility, which is the separation of IFR aircraft.

"Basic radar services should be provided to the extent possible, workload permitting."

7-6-11. TERMINATION OF SERVICE
http://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publi...atc0706.html.2

My understanding is the discretion regarding "workload permitting" is left to the individual controller and some have interpreted this very conservatively and the FAA doesn't call them on it very often, if ever.

I realize this is a minor quibble with what you posted and you are right in that this service is more or less effectively "voluntary" on the part of the controller given the way it's implemented. The reason I point this out is because if I were ever denied FF or dropped and I didn't agree with the controller's decision to do so, I would file an ASRS report. ATC should be providing this service to the maximum extent possible. It makes everyone safer and we are all paying for it. It shouldn't be denied capriciously.
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Old 09-05-2013, 06:58 AM
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This all happens frequently up in the Flight Levels. It's a good idea when you are using ATC services to monitor Guard (121.5) if you have that option. ATC is always looking for someone whose not on the right frequency. They'll call you there if you are listening.

Just recently ATC out of MSY gave us an incorrect freq, when we called to check in then the controller replied "roger". At some point we thought we should have been handed off, called back and asked if they had a new freq for us. They had no idea who we were or where we were. Gave us another bogus freq, they didn't want us. RINSE and REPEAT. It was crazy, finally, I called up on 121.5 and asked for a good frequency near a fix (don't remember which one). Someone else near there responded with a good freq, we check in (about 20 minutes late). Everyone acted like nothing happened. Filed an ASAP as soon as we landed.

You did the right thing by filing the ASAP (NASA) report. There's no question in my mind that you did anything wrong. But it was a minor breakdown in the system.
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