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08-25-2013, 04:58 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Ontario Canada
Posts: 1,452
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Ramp courtesy....is it ok to punch out another pilot?
Wife and I flew into 48D today. Great little airport, courtesy car, good fuel prices etc. After fill up we taxied to the tie down area at the terminal and prepared for our trip into town for breakfast, once our buddies landed.
A cessna lands, and taxis up to the tie down between me and another plane, with lots of rpm wing actually 5 feet or so over my wing opposite direction and turn a 180 under power. Wife grabbed controls and plane was fine but I didnt even know what to say. Further, since I had grabbed the crew car keys, he asked us to take him into town for breakfast too and actually sat with us.
I was nice...but its been burning my butt all day. There was an entire row of parking, and this tool fits into one between two parked planes and pulls donuts under power, while his wing is over another plane, he looked back to see if his tail would hit our plane...no kidding.
GRRRRRRRR. Is it wrong to just punch another pilot....small town airport...didnt want to be a jerk and this guy was 60 or so with his son in law...but really..he did spend all of breakfast telling us how great he was too. haha. Ok feel better.
Would you have just let it slide....or put a whooopin on him. In all my years of flying nothing has made me so mad. No idea what the guy was thinking...and mad I didnt just walk over and drop some nasty words. I spend an hour with him after this not saying a thing...Geeez.
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08-25-2013, 05:01 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Twin Cities, MN
Posts: 1,565
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Does the 'three-S' rule (shoot, shovel, shut up) apply?

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RV-6A N164BL, Flying since Nov 2012!
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08-25-2013, 05:14 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Hicks Airfield, Fort Worth,Texas
Posts: 1,728
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Gentlemen
Rick,
You were a true gentleman. It would have been real hard to Not leave that son of a gun standing on the ramp as I was driving off without him.
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08-25-2013, 05:29 PM
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Join Date: May 2005
Location: Santa Barbara, CA
Posts: 1,324
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Many years ago I had a near miss with a jerk in a Cessna 210. I was flying a proper pattern to an uncontrolled airport and he opted for the straight in, with out listening to the frequency. Anyway, I saw him, missed him and had a few well chosen words with him on the ground. It was hopeless, he was the classic entitled, rude, more money than sense type. About two weeks later he landed his shiny new 210 gear up. Lots of damage, no injuries. I laughed at him. Karma is a bit*h.
John Clark ATP, CFI
FAAST Team Representative
EAA Flight Advisor
RV8 N18U "Sunshine"
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08-25-2013, 05:33 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Estes Park, CO
Posts: 3,947
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Parking
LOL
I'm not laughing at you. I'm laughing because you can't fix stupid.
I guess it's similar to owning a nice car. No matter where you park it, even in BFE, some putz will park right next to it and do a stupid.
I agree, you were a gentleman. 
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08-25-2013, 05:37 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Dayton, NV
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Honestly I probably would have started (as soon as he shut down) with "Wow, you just about blew my ailerons off!! Did you realize what your propwash can do?" Depending on how he reacts (arrogant, concerned, apologetic...) I'd have taken the appropriate course.
I mean, I know you're just getting it off your chest, but folks don't have to take the nuclear option right off the bat! I have screwed up without realizing it before, and appreciate a little tolerance now and again. Given the chance to apologize for something I did wrong, I'll go overboard in being profuse.
Yes, there are LOTS of rude pilots out there - some intentional, and some just haven't been taught ramp manners. Like....if you pull up to a self-serve pump with your wing pointing at the pump instead of your nose, you can quickly and easily pull the airplane out of the way when you're done, rather than needing a huge area cleared to back it out of the spot. It makes it so much easier on anyone who comes in after you to "line up" for the pump.
Too few pilots among us to alienate others - we need to stick together against those who'd see us not flying!
(And yes, if after you've tried to be calm, they prove to be an absolute jerk, bring out the nukes....)
Paul
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08-25-2013, 05:43 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 405
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My mistake
Last year I was on a cross-country, far from home, and discovered a flat tire after I shut down. I had to use considerable power to taxi from a row of parked planes to a repair area.
A few minutes later a pilot came over and vented his anger about my high power taxi. He kept venting and I kept saying "I'm sorry". Never cursed or insulted me, just vented. In the end I hope he felt better, and I was truly sorry, and learned to try never to do that again.
You are a gentleman, but a raised voice without cursing might be appropriate to relieve your pressure and for him to learn something.
Carl
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08-25-2013, 06:35 PM
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Senior Curmudgeon
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Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Dayton Airpark, NV A34
Posts: 15,420
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Last weekend at the Homecoming, I sat and watched three planes in a row come in and swing around under power ------one of them behind my plane.
Pretty rude IMHO, but I was glad I had the gust lock in place.
They could have just pulled in front of the parking place, and cut the engine, and pushed the plane 25' or so and been parked.
Idiots are ubiquitous 
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08-25-2013, 06:47 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Chandler, AZ
Posts: 2,904
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High Road
I'm with Paul on this one. Diplomatic approach followed by evaluation then appropriate action.
Several years ago at the Copperstate fly in, a guy came in with an unpainted tandem turbine. I thought it was a Lancair. Anyway, he did a high speed pass, sharp pull up and entered the pattern. He was directed to an area where a bunch of RV's were parked included many from the SoCal group.
Well, the guys high speed pass wasn't enough. He further had to impress everyone by doing a 180 to line up with this parking spot then putting the prop into reverse to back into the space. He blew dirt and debris all over many aircraft. When he shut down and opened his canopy, he was surrounded.
One of our own, normally reserved members, was all over this guy. I don't know what was said but I think he was invited to leave, in which he did. That was a close to a butt kicking as I've ever seen.
Remember this PR?
I firmly believe many of these offenders are just clueless. Some one who does it intentionally is probably flying a rental 
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08-25-2013, 07:35 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Aptos, CA (previously Reno, 21 years!)
Posts: 247
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I think Paul has the right approach too. My attempt would be to let him know in a professional and diplomatic way that his operation or lack there of has follow on effects on those around him - as Paul suggested, a good ice breaker is to use some humor and a helping hand approach to bridge the situation awareness gap. If he is not interested then you can give him a simple, blunt heads up that what he did certainly looked a lot differently to those outside and behind his airplane than they may have appeared to him. If it escalates beyond that you can kindly walk away (don't engage further), say nothing else and be glad you don't have to deal with the guy anymore.
If he's that untrained or unaware, than saying nothing won't help him get a clue and it won't help the next guy. Best case scenario you might have a chance to help someone learn the ropes of operating GA aircraft but who knows. I bet if you mentioned something you would not be mad right now. but I don't blame you, I'd be annoyed too!
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