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Old 07-28-2013, 02:07 AM
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Because its construction was not done under the quality control process's in place to build an S-LSA airplane, it must be certificated as an E-LSA, but Van's as the manufacturer signifying it is a copy of the previously certificated S-LSA.
Subtle difference then if I understand it correctly. So Vans name on the data plate simply confirms that the remote manufactured E-LSA is a true copy of the factory original, but does not make Van's`the builder' in the normal sense (ie. unlike an S-LSA)? Of course that assurance has to be taken on trust, backed by the actual builder's declaration that what he put together does conform strictly to the plans.
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Old 07-28-2013, 07:11 AM
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Subtle difference then if I understand it correctly. So Vans name on the data plate simply confirms that the remote manufactured E-LSA is a true copy of the factory original, but does not make Van's`the builder' in the normal sense (ie. unlike an S-LSA)? Of course that assurance has to be taken on trust, backed by the actual builder's declaration that what he put together does conform strictly to the plans.
That's my understanding of it, Robert. That, and the DAR being familiar enough with the design to also verify conformity.
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Old 07-28-2013, 04:09 PM
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That's my understanding of it, Robert. That, and the DAR being familiar enough with the design to also verify conformity.
Still, it's an odd situation isn't it. Once the DAR has signed off, away you go and make whatever alterations you like (presumably documented somewhere), yet somehow it still remains the E-LSA that Vans said it once was. And indeed it can be sold on as such with all the attendant E-LSA privileges for the new owner, even though it may have evolved well away from its S-SLA ancestor. I can't imagine that Vans is altogether comfortable with this arrangement. It would make more sense if the E-LSA builder wasn't allowed to make any subsequent unauthorised changes. At least then there would be a logical separation between E-LSA and EAB instead of the fuzzy boundaries that exist now. You guys in the US have some funny rules.
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Old 07-28-2013, 04:43 PM
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Nobody ever said that FAA regulations have to make sense!

This crazy rule is why some manufacturers don't offer an ELSA kit.
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Old 07-28-2013, 04:56 PM
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Rob
Having said that, we in Australia seem to have the world champion bureaucracy at making silly rules (I have been dealing with our aviation bureaucracy recently and am getting a headache from banging my head on a wall).
I guess from here in Australia I wish the FAA were in Australia.
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Old 07-28-2013, 05:08 PM
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John,

Many of us probably also wish the FAA were down under!!
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Old 07-28-2013, 06:58 PM
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John, maybe we could arrange a swap. I'm sure the aviation community downunder would support moving CASA offshore. If the FAA didn't want to come, we could always ask New Zealand to take them.
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Old 07-29-2013, 07:09 AM
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Thanks Guys for all of your replies. That clears it up for me.
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Old 07-30-2013, 05:02 AM
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If Vans builds it, it is S-LSA.
If anyone else builds it, it is E-LSA or E-AB.
I thought that the RV-12s currently sold as S-LSAs were built by an outfit named Synergy Air, not VANs?
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I thought that the RV-12s currently sold as S-LSAs were built by an outfit named Synergy Air, not VANs?
Van's manages and oversees all the quality control processes, and then completes all of the final inspection and assembly prep for delivery.
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