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Old 07-05-2013, 08:38 PM
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Default Lots of good suggestions

It looks like there are several ways to skin this cat. I'll pick one and give it a try when I fly up to the Arlington Fly In next week.

Thanks for all the good advice as usual.
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Old 07-06-2013, 05:19 AM
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The only reason I don't get flight following on the ground at our airport is because control will usually vector us way out of our way before turning us on course. Not a problem requesting in the air and already on a direct route.
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Old 07-06-2013, 06:33 AM
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The question is, once airborne how do I open my VFR flight plan?
The purpose of a VFR flight plan is so search and rescue come looking if you don't make it to your destination on time. So what happens if the engine quits at 500 feet on initial takeoff? Who's coming looking? Unless someone (tower, fellow pilot, bystander, etc) sees you go down, no one. My point is that you should be opening the VFR flight plan on the ground...maybe even prior to engine start. Sure, you'll need to include startup and taxi into the time enroute so you're not late.

I know this goes against conventional/historical practices, but give it some thought. And as a bonus, you won't have to swap frequencies.

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Old 07-06-2013, 07:18 AM
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Default A bit of a thread drift here...

but if I am VFR using flight following, flying into or through class Bravo airspace, talking to approach, do I still need to here the words "Cleared into the class B airspace"? Or is that a given being that I am radar identified already?. Establishing contact with ATC is the requirement for class C airspace but I believe a clearance into class B is required. Is that correct?
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Old 07-06-2013, 08:13 AM
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You must hear the controller tell you that you are cleared into the bravo. Even on flight following.
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Old 07-06-2013, 08:29 AM
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Kurt is correct. You must hear the controller say "Cleared into Bravo airspace" even if using flight following.

Once using flight following heading south toward DFW, I got a 10-minute warning of Bravo Airspace. I asked the controller if I would need to divert for Bravo airspace. His response was "Cleared to enter Bravo Airspace". I eventually was given vectors that took me right over Love Field and then turned me east toward KGDJ.
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Old 07-06-2013, 09:09 AM
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Yep,
That was the way I understood the regs but a discussion at a flyin lunch table made me question my memory. I am happy to report that my mind remains intact and I have won a soda on this point.
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Old 07-06-2013, 03:59 PM
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That's correct. The only time you don't need a specific clearance into B airspace is when you are already on a clearance (IFR) and you are vectored or your planned route takes you in.
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Old 07-06-2013, 04:18 PM
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Default Repeat Class B Clearance

I strongly suggest you always repeat your Class B clearance back to the controller.

This will help eliminate any misunderstanding and your response will be on the ATC tape, along with the controller's ... just in case there is an investigation ...
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Old 07-07-2013, 07:33 PM
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It looks like there are several ways to skin this cat. I'll pick one and give it a try when I fly up to the Arlington Fly In next week.

Thanks for all the good advice as usual.
i don't know how practical it is, but why not just call FSS on your cell phone right before you call for taxi? add 15 min or so depending on the departure queue (SJC doesnt ever seem super busy as a single airport)

the airspace, however, around the bay is pretty busy and there are generally quite a few frequency changes/traffic within the first 10 min of departure (i work most SFO and some SJC arrivals) and nordo vfrs are a bit of a pain, but mostly when they dont let us know they're leaving the freq or don't listen

if you have any specific questions, let me know
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