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Old 07-03-2013, 10:11 PM
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Default Airplane registration

I just flew from MI to VA. Upon landing I got a call from the main owner of the airplane (I only own 10%, while he owns 90%). He got a call from a person from the FAA that told him that the plane was not registered. Apparently he did forget to renew and the reistration lapsed. I did not know you had to renew. I have never dealt with the registration aspect of a plane.

I called the FAA guy back and he said to call the FAA registration office. After talking with them, I found out that the plane was in fact not registered and the process to register would take 4-6 weeks and that the plane would be grounded in the mean time. And I am in VA.

I called the first guy back and he said that he had the authority to allow me to fly back to MI. But I could face up to an $1100 fine per leg if I flew the plane before it was registered again. All this for a $5 registration.

Could this be a scam? He said that there is a data base telling him when planes are flying with out of registration. He called when I was in the air (which I find hard to believe that the FAA is that efficient considering the 4-6 wk registration process). But I also flew a IFR mission in May and heard nothing from the FAA. I got no last name of the FAA guy or any real way to know who it was. Granted he did know the cell phone number of the owner and the FAA registration hotline #.

Needless to say, it has been a long frustrating day. Any feedback would be appreciated.

Thanks

Ken
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Old 07-03-2013, 11:01 PM
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You called the FAA registration branch and verified the info, how could it be a scam? I wouldn't be surprised at all if they flag expired registration numbers from briefings, flight plans, or even flight following. Especially if you are flying toward the US Capitol.

You already know this, but 10% owner or not, AROW is on you as PIC. That fine would hit your wallet so I wouldn't push it.

Good luck though, let us know how things turn out.
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Old 07-03-2013, 11:27 PM
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Anyone can check this - the registration expiration date for every N number is on the FAA's web site.

And yes, the PIC is responsible for having the right paperwork on board. Especially since you've been warned, I suspect the FAA won't be happy if the plane magically appears back home- unless you trailer it.

You could approach the local FSDO about a ferry permit, although 'expired registration' is not on the list of usual reasons for one.
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Old 07-03-2013, 11:28 PM
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http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinqu...m_Inquiry.aspx

Put your N-number in here and it will tell you when your registration runs out. Also, put your friends N-number in so he or she knows when theirs runs out
I am doing mine now but have to send it in due to an address change.
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Old 07-03-2013, 11:46 PM
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Could the local FSDO issue a ferry permit to allow you to get the plane back home?

In hindsight... You could have flown home first, and *then* called the FAA when you "found out" that this was a problem.
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Old 07-04-2013, 05:25 AM
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check with this company. they may be able to get it done in a much shorter time frame. i believe they are across the street from the faa registration building and can 'walk' it through. i am sure there are a lot of planes flying around without regs current. this is a good reminder for all to check there registration expiration date.
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Old 07-04-2013, 08:41 AM
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I assumed that the FAA would send me a renewal notice in advance just like the DMV does. To play it safe I just made an entry on my iPhone calendar to alert me one month prior to expiration. Thanks for the heads up!
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Old 07-04-2013, 08:53 AM
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I assumed that the FAA would send me a renewal notice in advance just like the DMV does. To play it safe I just made an entry on my iPhone calendar to alert me one month prior to expiration. Thanks for the heads up!
Renewal FAQ here:

http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certific...eregistration/

You should receive two mailed notices of pending expiration date provided your mailing address on file with the FAA is current. Waiting until one month prior to expiration will eliminate your option for online renewal:

"The third, fourth & fifth months before expiration make up the timely filing window. A code provided in the notice allows on-line re-registration and payment of the $5 fee when there are no changes in ownership, address, or citizenship to report. "
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Old 07-04-2013, 08:55 AM
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You called the FAA registration branch and verified the info, how could it be a scam? I wouldn't be surprised at all if they flag expired registration numbers from briefings, flight plans, or even flight following. Especially if you are flying toward the US Capitol.

You already know this, but 10% owner or not, AROW is on you as PIC. That fine would hit your wallet so I wouldn't push it.

Good luck though, let us know how things turn out.
The trouble is that the existing (old) registration document looks like it is current since it has no expiration date printed on it...

The ARROW check does not encompass the regulation change...
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Old 07-04-2013, 09:12 AM
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Renewal FAQ here:

http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certific...eregistration/

You should receive two mailed notices of pending expiration date provided your mailing address on file with the FAA is current. Waiting until one month prior to expiration will eliminate your option for online renewal:

"The third, fourth & fifth months before expiration make up the timely filing window. A code provided in the notice allows on-line re-registration and payment of the $5 fee when there are no changes in ownership, address, or citizenship to report. "
Thanks for the information. I changed my calendar alert to five months prior to the expiration date.
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