Full Disclosure?

[celstar]

I have a very nice RV-3B that i would like to do a panel up grade to before Oshkosh this year. Is there any vendor out there that would like to step forward and give me a smoking deal on the items? I will have it there all week if you do and there will be full disclosure and many write ups here. Hey, you don't ask you don't get!
All kidding aside I agree with the full disclosure, wait I'm not kidding i relay do want to re do the panel soon.

[larrynew]

Here's what the Federal Trade Commission says about endorsements:

http://business.ftc.gov/documents/bu...ple-are-asking

[airmel]

I feel full disclosure actually benefits everyone - the poster, the vendor, the reader. If the relationship is known, then it becomes a fair representation - i.e. other vendors of similar equipment are not unfairly represented (they might choose to give deals/sponsorships or just depend on their quality products). Anyway, disclosure allows the readers to know if the builder/poster chose the product/service due to a relationship or not. Then one is not left to wonder whether this builder/poster is questionable (sometimes it appears someone really likes something or knows an awful lot about it...) or is in some way affiliated and really does have an "in" with the company. I think this makes what is posted more legitimate/valid/useful!
My 2 cents (okay, maybe 4 cents).

[KRviator]

I fully agree with this concept, but there is a flip-side.

Let's say Dynon gave me a great deal on a SkyView setup, I disclose as such during a rave review of it. Will you as readers of this review believe I am being genuine or is there a risk of being viewed as biased because I got a good deal?

That will come down to the reputation of the reviewer - if there is one. Personally, I never truly believe a review where I know, or suspect, the product has been supplied at below retail. There's always that niggling feeling there that makes me wonder if the reviewer is under pressure to write a good review as a favour for getting a discount.

That's the good thing about the VAF, and the advertisers here, as besides supporting DR, too many VAFers have purchased products and offered their comments on them for all of these people to have got a great deal, so the comments here I feel are more representative than a review in a magazine.

My comments here about various vendors have not been influenced in any way by discounting, better after-sales support or any other form of kickback. I've just had good service from them. The sad fact is I'm not important enough to be offered a discount.

[PerfTech]

...If one doesn't trust the posters review, how could you possibly trust the full disclosure information he or she would provide? Perhaps what is needed is a full disclosure on the full disclosures and a monitoring arm of big brother to ride on the issue. But they of course will be exempt from full disclosure. This is a ridiculous concept! It can only get worse, I quit! ...

[N395V]

Wow!

My dislike and disagreement with this threads original premise is deep and profound.

Asking for full disclosure is like saying Mom and apple pie are good things and clearly no one can argue against, Mom, Apple Pie, or the concept of full disclosure. But>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
This thread starts with:

a few "super posters" carry a lot of weight here in the forums. If they are getting deeply discounted items, and then talking about how great they are, I feel a disclosure as to the true pricing should be made.

Now in my head I have a list af folks I percieve as "Super Posters" .

I do not think any of them have misled anyone on product reviews nor caused someone to make a huge purchase of an item that tuned out to be unsatisfactory. But the premise of this post could make me wonder "are some of the folks on my superposter list dishonest? Well I thought about this for awhile and decided, in my mind, that this is not really a problem here on VAF. then I see the following in another post:

Thanks for posting Mark

I am glad someone finally brought this up. It seems to be happening more and more

Now my superposters, once again could be suspect??? Certainly not???

Then I see the following and I am back to worrying:

I hesitate to comment on this, but I have seen this before as well (I know of a specific case myself, but don't want to single anyone out).

Hmmmm, so we have definitive proof that someone is posting bogus product rave reviews in return for payola.

Then the frosting on the cake is:

I know for a fact that some large suppliers are miffed at the de facto free promotion,

Well all I can say is, that while it is always difficult to call out someone in public who misbehaves, lies, cheats, or steals it is absolutely innappropriate to cast a wide net of aspersions that result in suspicion being cast upon a large and largely innocent group of people.

So I ask those of you who made the above comments suggesting that this is a problem on VAF. Step up to the plate and take the heat by:

Telling us
1. Who are the super posters that are guilty of this?
2. If you have seen it before and know of a specific case here on VAF give us the evidence here in public. We need to know to protect ourselves.
3. The very first comment in the first post suggests that superposters are misleading us. Who are they, what did they do, and what is your evidence.
4. Who are the vendors that for a FACT are miffed? Tell us here in public so we can either assuage their fears or address the problem if it really exists.

Has anyone out there made a large expenditure on an item they were displeased with and feel they were hoodwinked by lies from a "superposter" who was paid to befuddle you with embellished information.

If a gang of 4 people commit a murder and then seek refuge in a crowd you don't fire a shotgun at the crowd, you go in, single out the gang members and accuse then punish them publicly.

Accusations are cheap, show us the proof, the facts, and tell us who the offenders are. Innuendos are cheap, mean, and dangerous as they often lead to lynching an innocent person.

[PerfTech]

Originally Posted by N395V

Wow!

My dislike and disagreement with this threads original premise is deep and profound.

Asking for full disclosure is like saying Mom and apple pie are good things and clearly no one can argue against, Mom, Apple Pie, or the concept of full disclosure. But>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
This thread starts with:


Now in my head I have a list af folks I percieve as "Super Posters" .

I do not think any of them have misled anyone on product reviews nor caused someone to make a huge purchase of an item that tuned out to be unsatisfactory. But the premise of this post could make me wonder "are some of the folks on my superposter list dishonest? Well I thought about this for awhile and decided, in my mind, that this is not really a problem here on VAF. then I see the following in another post:



Now my superposters, once again could be suspect??? Certainly not???

Then I see the following and I am back to worrying:



Hmmmm, so we have definitive proof that someone is posting bogus product rave reviews in return for payola.

Then the frosting on the cake is:



Well all I can say is, that while it is always difficult to call out someone in public who misbehaves, lies, cheats, or steals it is absolutely innappropriate to cast a wide net of aspersions that result in suspicion being cast upon a large and largely innocent group of people.

So I ask those of you who made the above comments suggesting that this is a problem on VAF. Step up to the plate and take the heat by:

Telling us
1. Who are the super posters that are guilty of this?
2. If you have seen it before and know of a specific case here on VAF give us the evidence here in public. We need to know to protect ourselves.
3. The very first comment in the first post suggests that superposters are misleading us. Who are they, what did they do, and what is your evidence.
4. Who are the vendors that for a FACT are miffed? Tell us here in public so we can either assuage their fears or address the problem if it really exists.

Has anyone out there made a large expenditure on an item they were displeased with and feel they were hoodwinked by lies from a "superposter" who was paid to befuddle you with embellished information.

If a gang of 4 people commit a murder and then seek refuge in a crowd you don't fire a shotgun at the crowd, you go in, single out the gang members and accuse then punish them publicly.

Accusations are cheap, show us the proof, the facts, and tell us who the offenders are. Innuendos are cheap, mean, and dangerous as they often lead to lynching an innocent person.

....I agree with you 100% on this and will offer a cash incentive! With full disclosure of course to the big whistle blower. Allan...

[DeltaRomeo]

http://www.vansairforce.net/rules.htm

Brad Hamilton: Right. Learn it. Know it. Live it.
Jeff Spicoli: He's the full hot orator.*

v/r,
dr

ps: 3 different panels and lots of vendors. happy with all of them.

[vic syracuse]

I agree with the civility comment. I, and I think the majority if not all of the posters here hold integrity as one of the highest values a person can have. As for the internet as a whole there are certainly a lot of misleading evaluations out there and it can take lots of time to sort fact from fiction. On this forum, where lives are potentially at stake, to say nothing of the time and hard-earned monies involved, I think this group would take anyone to task for posting misleading or false reviews. I know I certainly count on the honesty of this group.
And most, if not all, of the advertisers on this forum don't really need any "favorable posts." Their products speak for themselves. If they aren't right, this group doesn't buy. In some cases, such as Allan's most recently, when word gets out, it is hard to keep up with orders.
As I tell the leaders in my organization, respect is earned, not given.

Vic

[PerfTech]

Originally Posted by DeltaRomeo

http://www.vansairforce.net/rules.htm

Learn it. Know it. Live it.*

v/r,
dr

ps: 3 different panels and lots of vendors. happy with all of them.

...Sorry, if I offended anyone that wasn't my intention. I am somewhat opinionated and I guess it shows sometimes, Thanks, Allan...