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Old 05-26-2013, 09:15 AM
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Maybe a Socket Head Cap Screw would work better. (Allen wrench)
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Old 05-26-2013, 10:38 AM
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I had a problem, too, on my -7. The clearance between the horn shaft and the bolt head was tight, but acceptable. I found that the alignment in the vertical direction (along the direction of the arms) was noticeably out of alignment. After review with the VAF brain trust and Vans, it was "build on" but it was frustrating!

This section of the plans could use some more detail, indeed!

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Old 05-26-2013, 12:16 PM
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Maybe a Socket Head Cap Screw would work better. (Allen wrench)
I won't get a chance to research this until Wednesday, but this sounds like a heck of a good remedy for my issue.
I could certainly hold an unaltered nut with the open end wrench (it won't turn that close to the horn tube anyway), while I spin the socket head bolt with the allen wrench.
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Old 05-26-2013, 01:22 PM
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Can you even find a capscrew that doesn't have full-length threads. You need an unthreaded grip portion through the 2 horns.
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Old 05-26-2013, 02:57 PM
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Can you even find a capscrew that doesn't have full-length threads. You need an unthreaded grip portion through the 2 horns.
Good question. Made me do a quick search before I do my success dance. Innitial search was pretty grim, but then I found this. I'll have to call them this week to see what works in place of the AN4-14A Bolt.

http://www.gen-aircraft-bolts.com/
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Old 05-26-2013, 09:47 PM
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FYI, the MS21042 nut is an approved replacement for the typical AN nuts called out. The approval is on the MS21042 specification itself.

http://tinyurl.com/o5a7lys please see page 2, note 4.

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Old 05-27-2013, 06:19 AM
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OK, let's be precise here. The engineer says that the glass is exactly twice as big as it needs to be.
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Old 05-27-2013, 06:31 PM
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Default Limited Space bolts and nuts

You could replace the AN bolts with the 12-point reduced head bolts and nuts, which permit a smaller socket to be used, providing clearance:

Bolt: MS21250 -04XXX where XXX is the grip length in 1/16th inches. This will eliminate that problem cause by socket head bolts: full thread or insufficient unthreaded shank for the application.

Nut: M93-4 (also known as NAS1804-4)

These bolts are expensive, but could solve your problem. They area available from Coast Fabrication www.coastfab.com.
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Old 05-28-2013, 03:57 AM
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May I suggest you locate a highly experienced welder who can fill-in both the holes so you can start again? This would damage the powder coat but immediate cleaning, priming of the steel, and protective paint would mitigate that for now. In the future, you will more likely feel like making new elevators....

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Old 05-28-2013, 09:09 PM
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Get a NAS1351-3-XXP socket head cap screw. It is a 150ksi where the AN3 is 120ksi (as I recall). XX would be the grip length. Genuine Aircraft or Aircraft Sprice carries them. Compair the two specs to be sure you get the same grip length (part without threads).
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