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Old 05-17-2013, 09:52 AM
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All, I'm applying my n-number (N1XS) shortly. Many of you know the regs well and wondered if I could use the following:?

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2yo4vnc&s=5
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Old 05-17-2013, 09:58 AM
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That does not fit in with the guidelines that are published in the EAA registration kit. But, there are many planes out there that do not fit the guidelines for the N number.

Are you going to use a DAR, or an FAA inspector??? A DAR might let you pass on it, but pretty sure a FAA guy will not. Talk to your inspector first.

Are you going to paint the plane before or after the inspection???

Simple vinyl numbers on an un painted plane will get you by, and then when doing the painting you could make an "adjustment" to the design but it could still get noticed by a ramp check or similar.
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Old 05-17-2013, 09:59 AM
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All, I'm applying my n-number (N1XS) shortly. Many of you know the regs well and wondered if I could use the following:?

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2yo4vnc&s=5
Ref part 45.21 through 45.29
Roman block numbers and letters, no ornamentation, etc.
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Old 05-17-2013, 10:04 AM
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That does not fit in with the guidelines that are published in the EAA registration kit.Are you going to use a DAR, or an FAA inspector??? A DAR might let you pass on it, but pretty sure a FAA guy will not. Talk to your inspector first.
Are you going to paint the plane before or after the inspection???
Simple vinyl numbers on an un painted plane will get you by, and then when doing the painting you could make an "adjustment" to the design
If a DAR lets this pass, he is not doing his job. A DAR works under the exact same regulations as the FAA.
Changing the numbers after inspection does NOT make it legal.

Just as an aside, inspectors on our area are beginning to crack down on some of these "illegal" N numbering procedures.
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Old 05-17-2013, 10:05 AM
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To expand on Mel's response, here is the wording from AC 45-2D on the subject:

N-Number Legibility. The N-number is required to be legible and written in capital Roman style letters without any ornamentation. You may use shading or a border only if it makes the number more legible.

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Old 05-17-2013, 10:14 AM
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If a DAR lets this pass, he is not doing his job. A DAR works under the exact same regulations as the FAA.
Changing the numbers after inspection does NOT make it legal.

Just as an aside, inspectors on our area are beginning to crack down on some of these "illegal" N numbering procedures.
And I understand that some at the now very large Department of Homeland Security have taken keen interest in people who misrepresent or intentionally alter registration numbers on aircraft, resulting in criminal (not civil action, but criminal) charges. As we saw with the glider pilot in in South Carolina, the federal law enforcement might challenge someone in an extreme fashion should you not meet their impression of the standards.

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Old 05-17-2013, 10:18 AM
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Default On the other hand,....

I would agree that it certainly does not meet the conventions of the regs, but I don't know who might catch it. If it were me, I'd probably paint the plane, but add the N# with vinyl lettering. Make a couple extra 1's and if anyone ever calls you on it, you can easily change it back to a 1.

Just my two cents worth.
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Old 05-17-2013, 10:21 AM
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Default N1XS Update

Gents, Thank you. As I expected. The plane is flying, but in for painting @ the moment.
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Old 05-17-2013, 11:57 AM
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Default Bad advice

I have a hard time with the advice of doing one thing for the inspection and then changing it afterwards. All of us in Experimental aviation have an obligation to comply with the regs. Those who don't comply set a bad example for the rest of us and end up causing more rules.
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Old 05-17-2013, 12:04 PM
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About the only font that is 100% legal on the line width and the character width is this USAF one...

http://www.dafont.com/amarillo-usaf.font

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