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04-20-2013, 04:19 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Netherlands
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Nose Job
Below is the link to a(nother) flipped RV9A
http://www.wcnc.com/news/local/EMS-t...203411341.html
After looking at this I installed a wood nose gear stiffener wrapped with glass/epoxy as suggested in VANS documents. I now have some doubt about this procedure as the leg is now completely stiff and has virtually no suspension range.
I also like to refer to a statement attributed to B Rutan in this context:
"urged the aviation industry not to defend aircraft designs, but to question them constantly as a method of improving them. Defending what may be a flawed design is no way to treat customers"
Another opinion by a high time RV owner was: "If you break the nose gear you can't fly properly - don't worry about it"
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04-20-2013, 04:42 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Minneapolis
Posts: 2,473
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See:
http://www.vansairforce.com/communit...ad.php?t=98734
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http://www.vansairforce.com/communit...ad.php?t=98704
Both of those threads are likely closed because if you do a quick search you'll see this horse has been severely beaten!
Cheers,
Stein
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Originally Posted by RijkersJ
Below is the link to a(nother) flipped RV9A
http://www.wcnc.com/news/local/EMS-t...203411341.html
After looking at this I installed a wood nose gear stiffener wrapped with glass/epoxy as suggested in VANS documents. I now have some doubt about this procedure as the leg is now completely stiff and has virtually no suspension range.
I also like to refer to a statement attributed to B Rutan in this context:
"urged the aviation industry not to defend aircraft designs, but to question them constantly as a method of improving them. Defending what may be a flawed design is no way to treat customers"
Another opinion by a high time RV owner was: "If you break the nose gear you can't fly properly - don't worry about it"
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04-20-2013, 05:56 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: KTCY
Posts: 643
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RijkersJ
Another opinion by a high time RV owner was: "If you break the nose gear you can't fly properly - don't worry about it"
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Not always ... but about sums it up ...
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Originally Posted by RijkersJ
After looking at this I installed a wood nose gear stiffener wrapped with glass/epoxy as suggested in VANS documents. I now have some doubt about this procedure as the leg is now completely stiff and has virtually no suspension range.
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That's generally to fix a different problem.
Not quite the right solution...
Have to consider what happens when the stress get focused somewhere else...
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RV-9A Flying  - 330 Hrs. Painted  Finishing the interior.
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04-20-2013, 06:25 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 846
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Flipped Out
Havent heard of anyone flipping with the Aerosplat installed.
Bob
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04-20-2013, 06:31 PM
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Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: London
Posts: 167
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Flipped Out
Havent heard of anyone flipping with no reason.
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04-20-2013, 06:59 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: KTCY
Posts: 643
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 6 Gun
Havent heard of anyone flipping with the Aerosplat installed.
Bob
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At least one still bit the dust... and the jury is still out on longtime stress issues.
Hope all of the stress focused at the engine mount doesn't become problematic.
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RV-9A Flying  - 330 Hrs. Painted  Finishing the interior.
Last edited by MauiLvrs : 04-20-2013 at 07:57 PM.
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04-20-2013, 07:24 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Estes Park, CO
Posts: 3,947
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accident
Just a few things noticed in the pictures.
There is a nice rut in the grass like the plane ran off the runway and it was wet or muddy.
No wheel pants or paint. A brand new project completed or someone purchased it just finished. Sad. I hope this isn't another case of inadequate transition training.
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Larry Larson
Estes Park, CO
http://wirejockrv7a.blogspot.com
wirejock at yahoo dot com
Donated 12/03/2019, plus a little extra.
RV-7A #73391, N511RV reserved (2,000+ hours)
HS SB, empennage, tanks, wings, fuse, working finishing kit
Disclaimer
I cannot be, nor will I be, held responsible if you try to do the same things I do and it does not work and/or causes you loss, injury, or even death in the process.
Last edited by wirejock : 04-20-2013 at 07:29 PM.
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04-21-2013, 01:45 AM
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Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Roma, Italy
Posts: 510
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Van's says front gear is a taxi gear only.
I add that my airplane is a no brakes airplane. The added weight on the front gear is responsible for the nose gear to dig in the grass. I consider the -9A an airplane which lands in places where there is no need to push brakes. It is possibile to land it with out braking in 600 meters grass airstrips (1800 feet). That is where my airplane is located.
Having said that, I installed antisplat job.
And hope not to flip ever.
Do not brake!
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Flight time: 1 hour
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Status: SOLD
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04-21-2013, 07:22 AM
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VAF Moderator / Line Boy
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Dayton, NV
Posts: 12,256
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 6 Gun
Havent heard of anyone flipping with the Aerosplat installed.
Bob
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There was one reported here last year - we never saw pictures, but the sources were multiple and reliable.
Proving only that no matter how many devices you might have, you STILL need to fly the airplane properly.
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Paul F. Dye
Editor at Large - KITPLANES Magazine
RV-8 - N188PD - "Valkyrie"
RV-6 (By Marriage) - N164MS - "Mikey"
RV-3B - N13PL - "Tsamsiyu"
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Dayton Valley Airpark (A34)
http://Ironflight.com
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04-21-2013, 09:00 AM
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Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Sharon Grove, KY
Posts: 86
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Nose Job!
While training for my PPL in a 172, my instructor told me on several occasions to keep the weight off the nose wheel or this thing will "wheelbarrow off the runway and fold the gear up". My 172 Firewall had been repaired before I purchased it! Just my thoughts, but I like what Paul said.
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RV-10 building
C182P - Flying!
RV-4 built, flown, sold
Wheeler Express just sitting there.
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