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Old 04-20-2013, 04:19 PM
RijkersJ RijkersJ is offline
 
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Default Nose Job

Below is the link to a(nother) flipped RV9A

http://www.wcnc.com/news/local/EMS-t...203411341.html

After looking at this I installed a wood nose gear stiffener wrapped with glass/epoxy as suggested in VANS documents. I now have some doubt about this procedure as the leg is now completely stiff and has virtually no suspension range.

I also like to refer to a statement attributed to B Rutan in this context:

"urged the aviation industry not to defend aircraft designs, but to question them constantly as a method of improving them. Defending what may be a flawed design is no way to treat customers"

Another opinion by a high time RV owner was: "If you break the nose gear you can't fly properly - don't worry about it"

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Old 04-20-2013, 04:42 PM
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See:

http://www.vansairforce.com/communit...ad.php?t=98734

-or-

http://www.vansairforce.com/communit...ad.php?t=98704

Both of those threads are likely closed because if you do a quick search you'll see this horse has been severely beaten!

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Below is the link to a(nother) flipped RV9A

http://www.wcnc.com/news/local/EMS-t...203411341.html

After looking at this I installed a wood nose gear stiffener wrapped with glass/epoxy as suggested in VANS documents. I now have some doubt about this procedure as the leg is now completely stiff and has virtually no suspension range.

I also like to refer to a statement attributed to B Rutan in this context:

"urged the aviation industry not to defend aircraft designs, but to question them constantly as a method of improving them. Defending what may be a flawed design is no way to treat customers"

Another opinion by a high time RV owner was: "If you break the nose gear you can't fly properly - don't worry about it"

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Old 04-20-2013, 05:56 PM
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Another opinion by a high time RV owner was: "If you break the nose gear you can't fly properly - don't worry about it"
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Not always ... but about sums it up ...

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After looking at this I installed a wood nose gear stiffener wrapped with glass/epoxy as suggested in VANS documents. I now have some doubt about this procedure as the leg is now completely stiff and has virtually no suspension range.
That's generally to fix a different problem.
Not quite the right solution...
Have to consider what happens when the stress get focused somewhere else...
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Old 04-20-2013, 06:25 PM
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Havent heard of anyone flipping with the Aerosplat installed.
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Old 04-20-2013, 06:31 PM
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Havent heard of anyone flipping with no reason.
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Old 04-20-2013, 06:59 PM
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Havent heard of anyone flipping with the Aerosplat installed.
Bob
At least one still bit the dust... and the jury is still out on longtime stress issues.
Hope all of the stress focused at the engine mount doesn't become problematic.
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Old 04-20-2013, 07:24 PM
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Just a few things noticed in the pictures.
There is a nice rut in the grass like the plane ran off the runway and it was wet or muddy.

No wheel pants or paint. A brand new project completed or someone purchased it just finished. Sad. I hope this isn't another case of inadequate transition training.
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Old 04-21-2013, 01:45 AM
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Van's says front gear is a taxi gear only.
I add that my airplane is a no brakes airplane. The added weight on the front gear is responsible for the nose gear to dig in the grass. I consider the -9A an airplane which lands in places where there is no need to push brakes. It is possibile to land it with out braking in 600 meters grass airstrips (1800 feet). That is where my airplane is located.
Having said that, I installed antisplat job.
And hope not to flip ever.
Do not brake!
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Old 04-21-2013, 07:22 AM
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Havent heard of anyone flipping with the Aerosplat installed.
Bob
There was one reported here last year - we never saw pictures, but the sources were multiple and reliable.

Proving only that no matter how many devices you might have, you STILL need to fly the airplane properly.
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Old 04-21-2013, 09:00 AM
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Default Nose Job!

While training for my PPL in a 172, my instructor told me on several occasions to keep the weight off the nose wheel or this thing will "wheelbarrow off the runway and fold the gear up". My 172 Firewall had been repaired before I purchased it! Just my thoughts, but I like what Paul said.
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