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04-12-2013, 09:57 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2007
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There are a million posts if you want to argue written check lists vs mental tools like CIGARS. Do a search and spend a few hours. It is one of those never ending debates with strong opinions on both sides.
Regardless, your scan is equally important. Left to right, outside and inside. Then repeat.... Had the almost accident pilot done a quick logical scan, he should have seen his gear indicator or lever position.
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04-12-2013, 12:36 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: West Conshohocken, Pa
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Somebody owes you a beer!
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04-12-2013, 12:54 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Dallas area
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Once many years ago when SWRFI was at Kerrville, there was a Bonanza lining up on runway 20. (Closed for the fly-in with notam, big "Xs" and everything).
We got on the radio and told him that that runway was closed and to use runway 30. He responded and promptly lined up on runway 2. Again we told him to use runway 30. He again responded and lined up on runway 20 again. We told him once again to use runway 30. This time he turned downwind for 30. Finally!
We went back to our conversation. A couple of minutes later one of the guys in our group looked up and saw the Bonanza on short final for 30 with wheels up.
We got on the radio and cautioned him that his wheel were up. He responded with a casual "Thank you", went around, and finally landed 30 with wheels down.
When he parked, 2 elderly gentlemen got out as if nothing had happened.
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04-12-2013, 01:20 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Durango, CO
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Mel,
I have noticed the older I get the the more I have fine-tuned the term, "elderly", to mean somebody older than me! Since the two elderly guys in your story had taxied for at least five minutes before shutdown, they had probably already forgotten that anything "unusual" had happened at all.
Getting old ain't for the fainthearted!
Jim
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04-12-2013, 03:54 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2005
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Our best gestimate of the gentlemen's age was low to mid 80s.
I understand completely about the shift of "elderly" with an increase of longevity.
Suffice it to say that the 2 were experienced at seniority!
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Mel Asberry, DAR since the last century.
EAA Flight Advisor/Tech Counselor, Friend of the RV-1
Recipient of Tony Bingelis Award and Wright Brothers Master Pilot Award
USAF Vet, High School E-LSA Project Mentor.
RV-6 Flying since 1993 (sold)
<rvmel(at)icloud.com>
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04-12-2013, 07:26 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Half Moon Bay, CA
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+1 for Karma .. nice job! It will minimize your chance of a gear up landing with your RV ;-) . You are owed a nice bottle of Scotch, single malt, > 25 years in the barrel (or your favorite equivalent).
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04-12-2013, 09:09 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Groveland, CA
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Ten or twelve years ago I was working on my Cessna at the tie down which was adjacent to the taxiway.I looked up to see an RV 6A taxing for takeoff, pushing his nose wheel tow bar. I stepped in front of him, stopped him and had him shut down his engine. I unlatched his tow bar and handed it to him.
I don't know if he could have taken off with the tow bar attached or not. Had he taken off I'm sure the landing would have been at least an incident.
Be careful with your pre flight. You might tow your plane out of the hangar and then do your pre flight.
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04-12-2013, 09:29 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Hampshire, IL
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike5250
Somebody owes you a beer!
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Naa that's not good enough,,,,,, how bout a couple cases: 
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04-12-2013, 09:41 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Vancouver island, BC Canada
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Forgetting to put the gear down often seems to be caused by preoccupation with another problem - call it 'tunnel vision'.
We sat waiting for takeoff one day when a Cessna 337 called a mayday and was cleared for landing. The guy knew his plane wasn't performing but he didn't know why. On base leg we saw the gear was up and alerted the tower.
The tower called him every few seconds but he was so focused on getting the aircraft down he didn't hear, and slid to a stop on his belly. Typical tunnel vision.
You probably guessed his problem. The rear engine had quit - not so easy to spot on a 337.
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