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Old 04-09-2013, 09:16 AM
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Are you guys getting up to date tracks on the Card's APRS, too? The track seems to have stopped when they reached the Bahamas.

14:00 CDT Update...now it's working again, although the latest return is about 30 minutes ago when they were approaching Grand Turk. What was that do-see-do just after takeoff from Providenciales about? Hmmm...maybe sightseeing? You guys have fun...
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Old 04-09-2013, 08:08 PM
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Having serious data issues on the island. We're just working through impossibly slow stuff. I think Kahuna must have planted a time bomb in this network that I might have to go fix before we leave .
Everybody arrived safely. Only one failed alternator over the water from Provo to Grand Turk of "Shark Bait"! All other resort guests have already been assimilated into our group.

Pictures might be sparse or very highly compressed in order to place something.
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Old 04-09-2013, 11:14 PM
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Default Day 4: We be on Island Time in Grand Turk!

Hi to our RV family of friends!

I have to APOLOGIZE for the delayed post to this thread but I am having MAJOR computer malfunctions. I’m thankful Scott “Scoot” Card is here to help, and we’ll hit it hard on Wednesday to figure out what is going on: I can’t get into my website to upload pictures AND the connection here is very, very slow UPDATE 4/10/13: My VAF family of friends (Mike Bullock) got me back online, and pictures have been added)

Like and ‘Audio Book’, please try to imagine what I am trying to describe with the written word. I will do my very best to get pictures up via another source (that Scoot helps me with, thank you!

Our flight briefing on Monday night (April 8th) took nearly an hour with a break in the middle for PIZZA (thank you Indira!). Once complete, flight leads gathered for their brief and then we called to file our flight plans.

Something I wanted to try was to file ONE flight plan for Alpha flight. If you pull up an international flight plan (with instructions), it says you can enter the number in your flight in BOX 9 then enter their data (TYP/RV6 N212JC) in the remarks section. When talking with the briefer, he skipped over this box. I asked about it, and he said that it is NOT EVEN AN OPTION for him on the computer system!?! No worries as he was able to ‘my flight plan’ and I was able to give the Name, RV Type, N number etc for each of my wingmen. Our filed route of flight was X51 direct MBPV with a planned speed of 150 knots, 9500’ MSL with ETE 3:30.

This is my third trip here, and I really hope that some of you can also fly here and enjoy the beautiful water and friendly ‘belongers’ who live here.
Tuesday, April 9th was our departure day from Homestead (X51) to Providenciales (MBPV), Turks & Caicos and it started at 0515. After getting packed up, we met the group in the lobby at 0600 for breakfast, and all were ready to depart the hotel at 0630.

We loaded up the three (3) minivans with 17 people, and I arrived in Minivan #1 to the airport ~0650 with Minivan #2 in-trail....where's Cookie....what happened Cookie!?! Well....it's probabaly a GOOD idea to do a flight 'Check-in' at the hotel PRIOR to departing... Tanya was part of the convoy, however, a phone to call to her Van had her IMMEDIATELY turn around and go back to the hotel to pick up John & Dani Wilson...sorry about that!

Minivan #3 arrived to the airport to find everyone readying their airplanes, canopy covers were draped over tails, bags packed, and thorough preflights.



Jailbird & Indira



Sugar Daddy & Trophy Wife



Here the ‘donning’ of the life vests for the now-customary group picture:



Alpha Flight:
Rosie, Keys and Bill ‘need a call sign’ Wootton turned-props at ~0740 and were wheels up at ~0753.

The subsequent flights were separated by 10 min, and here’s the line up (leads listed first):

Bravo Flight:
Jailbird, Taco & Belle, Opie (Doug Dodson-Glasair I FT, my skypark neighbor)

Charlie Flight:
Cookie & Scoot, Sharkbait & Steph

Delta Flight:
Sugar Daddy & Trophy Wife, Moody Blue & Bun, Deuce and Laura McFarland

I contacted Homestead (Reserve Base) airport for clearance through the Class Delta airspace which was granted. Once clear of their airspace at 2500’ MSL (RVs climb GREAT at sea level), we switched to our tactical frequency assigned (by me) to Alpha Flight. The time from takeoff from X51 to the coastline is <10 minutes at best and then you are ‘feet wet’.

Minutes after crossing the coastline eastbound, we contacted Miami Radio (122.2) and opened our flight plans individually as ‘briefed’ by the briefer.

There were no BIG clouds to speak of on departing the coastline, and Alpha flight climbed to 9500’ MSL. As we reached Andros Island, the low level clouds ‘starting’ popping up everywhere.



By the end of the first flight hour, we could see ahead (100nm) that the flights might have to either climb or descend below the clouds (I like to climb to conserve on the fuel). Sure enough, as we got closer, I thought that we were probably going to be climbing to 11,500’.



I gave Bravo flight a call and let Jailbird know that I was ‘thinking’ about climbing (they were ~40nm behind us). Next thing I hear on the Miami frequency both he and I were using: Jailbird called Miami Center to let him know that his flight was climbing to 11,500’. Peer pressure caused me to cave so I called Miami Radio with “…What he said…” Up we went….and the deck started ‘climbing’ up to us so…Up we went again... to 13,500’ for about 20 minutes. That's Keys high and to the right:



Once on the backside, we were able to get back down to 11,500’ where we stayed (until my Garmin 496 VNAV function alerted ‘time to descend’)

Something I failed to mention is that during the flight, we ‘gabbed’, lied, told stories (there I was…), took pictures of each other’s planes, remained silent and just soaked in the view…lots of fun! Flight leads also passed on information to other leads…and I can’t tell you how many times I forgot to hit the ‘Monitor’ feature on my SL30 after a ‘flip-flop’. Here’s what I heard more times that I care to admit (but will): “Rosie, Miami center is calling you on 126.1” I had flipped to the tactical frequency for other flights and forgot to press Monitor, YiKeS!

Miami Center handed us over to Providenciales (Provo Approach) at ~60nm, and with an on-course heading of 117 degrees as we continued inbound. Look at my ground track to Provo, and you can see that I flew a slight dogleg to line up, runway heading (110 degrees).



Here the 'downline' from 11,500' to 1000' MSL:



And here’s something NEW TO ME (Jimmyb, Seismo, Scotty take note): Provo approach told us, that by 25nm to the airport, our flight needed to be separated by…get this…NO KIDDING…10nm…yea….Riiigghhtt…that’s NOT going to happen.
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Last edited by Rosie : 05-10-2013 at 05:08 PM. Reason: Added pictures and that we left the Wilson's at the hotel' part of the story that I just learned about
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Old 04-09-2013, 11:17 PM
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Default Day 4: We be on Island Time in Grand Turk!

During the brief the night before, I briefed that the tower folks are used to handling ONE PLANE AT A TIME. Here’s a picture from 2007 that has Bryan & Sherri Wood on final in their RV-9A and…I lie not to you…a Boeing 757 circling in the background (on final) to make spacing for Bryan…planes MUST CLEAR THE RUNWAY prior to allowing any plane to be inside of a…once again, no kidding 10nm final. Look for the 757 in this picture from 2007:



So, during my brief, I told the fliers here’s how it will play out: Maintain our ‘flight’ all the way to 25nm final (e.g. runway heading at 25nm, and in our case, 100degrees for runway 10). The blue arrow points to the threshold of runway 10: It was pretty cool following the wall-of-clouds on the left of us that paralleled the runway.



At 25nm, ships 2/3 went to trail (1000’). At the 10nm mark, lead continued on the straight in to runway 10 but Ships 2/3 went into a turn to complete one (360) turn. On exit from the first 360 turn, Ship 2 rolled out on a heading of 110 and followed Ship 1 on final.



Ship 3 performed a second 360 turn then rolled out on final behind Ship 2. I called out distance to the runway along with ground speed every other mile or so to help my two wingmen ‘gauge’ my arrival to the runway.



I was asked to report 3 miles, which I did, and I added 2-mile, 1-mile and over-the-threshold calls (for my wingmen’s benefit). I’ll bet money that Tower was thinking this guy sure talks a lot!



Once I touched down, I called it out on the radio “RV 8PV on the ground….RV 8PV clear of runway”. Ah-HAW! Ship 2 was waiting to hear the magic words…RV 8PV clear of the runway!

Ship 2 then called on final at 10nm (yes, a white lie), but you need to know there is no radar in the tower.



Tower asked for a 3-mile report which Ship 2 reported maybe a minute or so after their (Ship 2) 10nm call….Let’s do the math…..6 miles per minute….right….sure…we’ll give you 10nm spacing…in the words of Al from the TV show “Tool Time, “I don’t think so Tim”.



This all worked out just fine for Alpha flight and the Tower said nothing of the landings that came quickly in succession. All they cared about was NOT having a plane inside of 10 miles with another plane still on the runway. Disclaimer: Your mileage may vary, void where prohibited!

Make sure you LAND LONG on runway 10 and exit at the Provo Air Center. Debby is the General Manager, and she will do GOOD by you!



Provo Air Center hadn't see the ramp this full since we were there last time...



Bravo flight arrived about 10 minutes after Alpha flight, and I’m yet to ask Jailbird how his flight faired with Tower.

Charlie flight took a bit longer (RV-9As) to arrive…maybe 20 minutes with Delta flight coming in another 20 minutes after them.

Now, here’s the BEST part of the day: Each plane that arrived was greeted by a ‘rampee’ who rolled out a red carpet (yes, I have pictures of this….but can’t post them, arghhhh!) Anyway, everyone stepped off the plane onto a red carpet.

My prop hadn’t been stopped for more than 30 seconds before the fuel truck arrived. The ramp manager ‘Bert’ greeted Tuppergal and I then asked us to follow him inside the building. Once inside, he pointed us to the elbow height counter that had our Customs forms PRE-FILLED-OUT with our names, address, birthday, passport numbers (all data we had provided the week before). “Please sign here” and I did…took all of 5 seconds.

“Thank you Mr. & Mrs. Rosales, please enter the office here (all we did was turn around in the narrow hallway). “This is the Customs official who will clear you in”. I think we took a whole five (5) steps to enter the air-conditioned 10’x10’ office to sit on a BIG leather couch: Counter to Customs was about FIVE steps!

The (very polite) Customs agent (lady) asked for our form that we just signed and our passport. She asked why we were visiting the Turks & Caicos (pleasure vacation) and where we were staying on Grand Turk (Osprey Beach Hotel: She knew we were NOT staying on Provo but continuing on to Grand Turk because this was all part of the information we provided the week before via e-mail).

From Customs, we walked may 10 steps to the office next door to speak with another gentleman, and I honestly have no idea what his job was….I don’t even think he asked us anything….and we were out of there in no more than TWO MINUTES TOPS.

Are you adding minutes… I swear to you we were out of the two offices in less than five (5) minutes. Bert then asked us to following him to the FBO desk…this was maybe 40 feet down the hall…”Mr. Rosales, welcome to the Turks & Caicos. I have prepared your bill for Customs and it also includes your fuel. Your plane fueled with 29.8 gallons, and the total is $330.12 (Fuel was ~$230). I handed her my credit card…she swiped it…”Please sign here…Have a wonderful time in the Turks & Caicos”….

TOTAL TIME TO CLEAR CUSTOMS AND PAY YOUR BILL: TEN (10) MINUTES TOPS!!!!!!!!! I tip my hat to Debby, the manager at Provo Air Center… thank you, AGAIN!

So this went on for each ‘airplane crew’, and we waited for everyone (in the very nicely air conditioned FBO lounge) to complete their forms. Once complete, we went up to the second floor to take pictures of the 11 planes on the ramp and a group picture on the ramp in front of the Provo Air Center sign (I will need to get a copy from Debby).

Ok folks, let’s go to Grand Turk…what about filing our flight plan…nope, already done by Provo Air Center (you all ROCK). Did I forget to mention our International Flight Plans were automatically closed by Tower on landing!!! Thank you TOWER!
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Old 04-10-2013, 05:57 AM
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Default Day 4: We be on Island Time in Grand Turk!

Rosie just hijacked Seismo's deleted thread so I can keep the sequence of my story....thanks Seismo!
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Here's the group on the ramp (thanks to Debby from Provo Air Center for taking this!)



Once Alpha, Bravo, Charlie and Delta flights cleared Customs, we departed in sequence to Grand Turk...what a nightmare!!!! There is NO RADAR coverage in the islands so to keep everyone safe, the tower separates you by 'time & distance'. They sent out the first three airplanes, waited 15 minutes...then sent out the next three...waited 15 minutes....!@#$%^&*(!@#$%^&*#@@#$% ARGHH!!!!!!!! At least they let us go in groups of three, one minute apart!

Alpha flight departed single ship and I flew 110 knots direct to Grand Turk, 1500’ MSL…waited for my two wingmen to join me. Here are pictures from Taco & Belle's camera for their flight from Provo to Grand Turk (my camera was 'lost' somewhere in the cockpit):



Check out the Water Spout.....Seismo!





…then once again…lie to the tower…all works out fine…we land in succession maybe two minutes apart….

Here's Taco & Belle's approach into Grand Turk, runway 11:









After landing, Alpha flight was directed to the ramp…the actual International Airport Ramp! On the previous two trips, we parked at the old terminal building across the runway. Though we were still directed to park on the grass in the “North 40”.

Finally, all planes on the ramp, tied-down/secured, ramp pictures taken (thanks to Scoot & Cookie for lending me their camera when my battery died!), load folks into the two Vans, short drive (<10 minute to our hotel)….WE ARE HERE…TWO YEARS IN THE MAKING AND WE ARE HERE!



Here's the ground track for the short flight from Provo to Grand Turk:



Thank you all again for being patient and I hope that you can sense the excitement being here on the island of Grand Turk.

Once again…this all came together with people who took the time to build an RV!

Keep poundin’ them rivets because it’s ALL worth it! Rosie & Tuppergal
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Old 04-10-2013, 06:34 AM
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It was interesting to "see" so many RV's passing each other in the Bahamas yesterday. Team Aerodynamix was headed to KFPR from the Dominican Republic and your group was headed to Grand Turk.
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Old 04-10-2013, 06:53 AM
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I finally got some of Rosie's pictures placed.
https://picasaweb.google.com/1004997...eat=directlink

We have a bunch of technical people here (there). Help. Rosie is old school and likes his WS FTP client, but his host isn't working for some reason (credentials issue). We might get that sorted out, but just in case, if someone could whip up a quick ftp server that I could get him temporarily uploading some of his images to that is front ended by a simple apache server such that he can reference them via a url, we would very much appreciate it. Just quick and dirty. < EDIT: I think I have what I need. Many thanks to the Zilikmonster and Mike Bullock. 4 kbps baby! >
Data here is too slow to really work through much setup. (it takes about 5min to load one vaf page)
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I wish we were with you guys and not here flying this desk. Keep the stories coming as I can visualize everything you write.
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There goes Rosie out for his first dive!





X marks the spot. This is about a mile or so down the beach.



Those taken from my shaded tree Here .



This was a test, only a test, of the Mike Bullock instant solution. Looks like it is going to work great. Thanks Mike. Maybe we'll all have pictures to follow them along the rest of the trip beginning in a couple of days. It is time for me to walk across the street to the dive shop to get setup for our dive in an hour... Goodness abounds!
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This was a test, only a test, of the Mike Bullock instant solution. Looks like it is going to work great. Thanks Mike. Maybe we'll all have pictures to follow them along the rest of the trip beginning in a couple of days. It is time for me to walk across the street to the dive shop to get setup for our dive in an hour... Goodness abounds!
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