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04-02-2013, 07:15 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2009
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I have enjoyed both threads/very informative.
I drive my Gold wing, like I drive My car and also my RV-6 and boat. I know that people will miss me on occasion so I operate the above like I am in a
STEALTH (INVISIBLE) I do not trust anyone but me to be responsible for
me.
And yes I am aware that I may miss something.
30 yrs of driving a vehicle with lights and sirens and having drivers pull out infront of me, Yup know its going to happen and I always try to have an out.
No accidents to retirement. Also found out somthing else that provides
training and makes you a better pilot. If your airport has more than one runway always take off and land crosswind. Found out you usually do not have much traffic on those runways. We have the aircraft for it.
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04-02-2013, 07:33 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Dallas, TX (ADS)
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Originally Posted by pjaffray
I rode a motorcycle on the Southern California freeways for years. I didn't ride "defensive", I rode scared, expecting everyone else to do the worst possible thing at the worst possible time. I learned how to survive and I am still here.
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I assume pretty much everyone I see will do something that might kill me, whether they mean to or not. I follow this rule whether I'm on the bike, in either type of aircraft I fly, in the car or on foot. NEVER assume the other guy sees you (only exception is the tow plane when I am on tow).
TODR
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04-02-2013, 07:35 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: valencia, ca
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Zaon Traffic detector
An earlier poster to this thread mentioned to keep your transponder on so he could see you on his Zaon I presume. The Zaon does not detect transponders on its own. It detects a transponder that is replying to a radar interogation. If your plane with transponder on is not in radar coverage it will not show up on a Zaon. That is the way I understand the Zaon equipment works. The Zaon manual is at the airport and I am home now but if this is viewed as incorrect information I will get out the manual and double check it.
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04-03-2013, 06:46 AM
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Join Date: Apr 2012
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If I were to look up and see a plane landing on the runway I am on, two things would happen. My plane moved off centerline (or off the runway if needbe) to avoid and another radio call to warn him off...in that order. I always assume everyone else is blind as a bat and half as bright, so I'm seldom disappointed. I would be as disappointed in myself for not seeing the traffic coming in as I was for him for not using his radio. There certainly wouldn't be any emotional confrontation over it. It's an uncontrolled airport and radios are not required....not required means not required. I know that as a pilot and I am as responsible as he is.
Nobody is responsible for my safety but me. There is very little that anyone reading this can do that I can't avoid if I'm paying attention...and if I'm not, it's my own fault.
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04-03-2013, 11:13 AM
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Join Date: Nov 2005
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Originally Posted by Sig600
There was a gent at DTS about 15 or so years ago with a long-eze who was notorious for this kind of stuff. Cutting people out in the pattern, landing the wrong way, being unproffesional on the radio about it, etc.
One day he sent a Lear around landing the otherway, and said the exact same thing on the radio (us line guys made a habit to watch his shennanigans). They whipped it around the pattern, landed, and both pilots went over and 'dealt' with him. Not sure who threw the first punch, but I know the two who walked away....
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That is *awesome*
Some people are just jerks, and they're jerks all the time. They just happen to be flying an airplane sometimes, and being a jerk in ways that could get people killed.
My VERY FIRST landing in an RV, during transition training, as we had dutifully announced our inbound position, downwind, base, and final, as we were approaching the fenceline, some jerk who had been sitting at the hold-short line (and could obviously see us, even if he didn't bother to listen), pulled onto the runway, forcing me to do a go-around. According to the instructor, this guy does that sort of s**t ALL THE TIME, and continues to do so despite he and others having "had a 'talk' with him". I was pretty incensed. I guarantee that if that happened to me repeatedly, I'd be thinking along the lines of the Lear pilots above.
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04-04-2013, 09:54 AM
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Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Sacramento, CA
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I know some older aircraft w/o electrical systems aren't required to have radios (NORDO), but with the low cost of hand-held's I think it's a disservice to yourself and others if you don't have and use one. It's such an improvement to safety and courtesy to be able to hear other's intentions as well as announce your own. Even in when flying my brother's light sport it's a normal practice for everyone.
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04-04-2013, 11:41 AM
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Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: KRTS
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Originally Posted by crabandy
You don't have to have a radio to be safe, unfortunately too many people rely on the radio even though they only understand half of what is said.
Some pilots are so preoccupied with talking on the radio they forget to fly the plane and look for traffic. I think more people misuse the radio then don't use it. How many syllables in "Any traffic in the area please advise" that aren't already implied?
Aviate-Navigate-Communicate!
I know some people should use their radios more, but I think the bigger problem is people not flying proper traffic patterns (I love hearing 10 mile straight in on the radio) and a lack of situational awareness.
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Bingo on all accounts. When I was teaching new CFI candidates, I would take them into high traffic uncontrolled airports and task saturate them. Places with multiple students in the pattern, instrument approaches going on, skydiving, banner towing, all simultaneously. Every now and then I would take the plane, have them take their head set off, and have them draw me a traffic pattern with where everyone is at that moment. It usually only took one or two of those before they figured out how to look and listen, while teaching. Point being, that other people's "non-standard" is still your problem.
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04-04-2013, 12:27 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Mojave
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Originally Posted by Sig600
...Point being, that other people's "non-standard" is still your problem...
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Great line! I'm going to use that one in the future.
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04-14-2013, 06:13 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: US
Posts: 39
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I do what I want types...
"... an airplane on the roll, but he replied something to the effect ?uncontrolled field, deal with it?.
Not long ago, someone allegedly with a similar attitude wound up killing people.
This accident was caused by a Swiss guy, Ulrich Christen, flying a velocity in Florida in March 2008.
Apparently he left the US as soon as he could afterwards. Not sure if he has shown his face back here again since.
http://planecrashmap.com/plane/fl/N244CU
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04-14-2013, 08:31 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Clear Lake, IA
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Radio or no radio
Wow
After listening to the posts I was curious as to the actual FAR a person is
violating for not using a radio at an uncontrolled airport.
If a pilot is intentionally causing a saftey hazard by knowingly pulling out on the runway with out first looking down the chute to see if someone is on final and that person continues to act in a way to be that saftey hazard. Or Knowingly cuts into the pattern with reckless disregard for life. Please use the FAA and make a complaint against the pilot for reckless disregard for life.
FAA enforcement is good about giving pilots corrective action and are good about talking to pilots at their home airport about the habits good or bad about that pilot
Do not get in that persons face, give him the business or get phisical with that person--after all in most jurisdictions you will be the law breaker and be charged with harassment, and possibly assault.
If the person made a mistake you may be making a bigger one
If you are charged you may be visited by FAA enforcement and possibly
be investigated, and worse have your pilots license removed for being
an angry unstable person that cannot handle his emotions in the air or on the ground and be just as dangerous as the person you are trying to adjust
Tailwinds Ken
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