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03-25-2013, 07:02 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Hervey Bay Queensland Australia
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RV Investagation
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Originally Posted by rjtjrt
I expect there will be a Coroners investigation, with investigation evidence from the Police. The Police are not ideal as an investigative entity in such a specialist field, and would expect them to seek outside assistance.
Van's should be able to offer assistance, but it may be sensitive as Van's will presumably be considered an interested party rather than an independent entity (this is not to imply Van's is anything other than totally ethical, but it will be a legal decision).
Edit - I am not a lawyer and may be completely wrong.
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This accident will be examined by the Police & the RAA ( Recreational Aircraft Australia) as it was Rego'd under there Rules....still a sorry painful Process for all!
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04-14-2013, 05:48 AM
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Join Date: May 2008
Location: Brisbane Qld. Aust.
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At least the investigator in NSW is of an equal or higher quality than the ATSB. Cant say the same of the other states.
There is ample evidence, and detailed.
The good news for the RV12 community is quite simple. This was not the fault of the aircraft design or assembly.
Dont ask me questions. That is all there is to say for now. There will be a high quality coronial report to read eventually. In the interim you can work out exactly what went on.
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04-14-2013, 08:15 AM
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Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Gloversville, NY
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David,
Thanks for sending along what you have. I (and I'm sure others) have been wondering what is going on. And it seems the community has been showing an admirable sense of restraint regarding speculation.
Please forward more details when it's appropriate.
John
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04-14-2013, 03:57 PM
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Join Date: May 2008
Location: Brisbane Qld. Aust.
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Unfortunately, when something like this happens, a great company and a great product get a tarnished reputation.
I spoke at our recent SAAA (your EAA) chapter meeting yesterday about all our collective responsibilities when flying but more so in first flights. This is a serious business, inspections need to be thorough, preferably with another very experienced A&P/LAME or builder who knows what they are looking at, and with a check sheet, usually several pages of them.
This pre first flight inspection is normally a full day, then once all the panels seats etc are replaced and checked they are done properly, the next morning is a time for testing.
In Australia lately, the RAAus who administer the ultralight and LSA segment (done different to the USA) have had a lot of fatalities this year already, and by far the bigest chunk of them are directly out of the basket of "low hanging fruit" that Van talked about in his safety corner two years ago.
In the last twelve months it has been staggering, from night ops in Trikes (dark like the inside of a cow), Trikes in IMC and spinning at low level, drinking then doing beat ups in a Drifter (UL), and the list goes on. Now this one which is closer to home for us as it was an RV, however on the RAAus register.
It makes me mad  It reflects poorly on the rest of us, and we all have to work harder to protect what we have, when we should not have to!
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04-19-2013, 03:20 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: KTCY
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Originally Posted by NASA515
I haven't even decided if I will make the first flight - I have two well qualified volunteers to do it for me.Bob Bogash 737G
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An incident like this one is one of two primary reasons that only I was going to do the first flight in our aircraft. If it was going to bite anyone ... it was going to bite me. The other ... after all of the work ... we were going to experience the first flight.
First flight was only after a team of experts repeatedly went over the entire aircraft with a fine toothed comb. Ground crew was briefed ... etc.
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04-20-2013, 05:59 AM
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Join Date: May 2008
Location: Brisbane Qld. Aust.
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there is a simpler reason.......... 
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04-20-2013, 07:21 AM
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Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Charlotte NC
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If everyone knows what happened then why all the secrecy. Is there a lesson to this accident that might possibly save someone's life in the near future?
George
[ed. Go to http://www.vansairforce.net/rules.htm and read #6. v/r, dr]
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04-20-2013, 10:38 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Do any of our Aussie friends know when a report on the accident will be available?
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04-20-2013, 03:48 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: La Feria Texas
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I too think we may be going overboard on this site for "political correctness" in accident discussions. I sincerely believe in useful "Education thru Error" principles. What always happens here is we shush up any of the facts, and then the accident just goes away - forever - and never returns with those facts that might save lives. There should be some sort of suspense files where this will come back after a certain period.
I am serving notice to moderators, if I crash and burn, I want EVERYONE to please speculate, investigate, and put the blame exactly where it belongs, hopefully during the next day or two after my demise while it can have some effect on others safety.
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If everyone knows what happened then why all the secrecy. Is there a lesson to this accident that might possibly save someone's life in the near future?
George
[ed. Go to http://www.vansairforce.net/rules.htm and read #6. v/r, dr]
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04-20-2013, 05:40 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Perth, Western Australia
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My understanding is that we are waiting for the coroner's report to be completed. RAAus, the organisation with which the aircraft was registered, is involved in the investigation, so clearly there are people in the aviation community over here, and others, who have inside information on the cause of the crash but are not yet able to say anything publicly. David Brown has already hinted that it was a pilot issue, not an aircraft fault. We would all like to know what happened, but I guess we will have to wait for the report to be released.
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