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Old 03-18-2013, 11:23 AM
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AirNavPro is also a one-time-buy for the program. I haven't purchased any US charts myself yet, but I understand from a fellow pilot who is running AirNavPro on his Google Nexus 7 tablet that the charts are not forcibly expired at the end of their cycle... You can still use them.

Personally, as there are no Canadian VFR charts available, i've been using the Open Streetmap data as a basemap (free), with Canadian airspace overlaid on top (also free). I'm using this on both my Google Nexus 4 smartphone, and my iPad3.
Rob, can you elaborate on this for us non-techs? I'm not clear on 'overlaid' to say the least!
please fill me in, and we can post in the canada section?
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Old 03-18-2013, 12:10 PM
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If you pay $75 or $150 per year to use the ForeFlight app and your year runs out, the app stops working. If you subscribe to cable TV and pre-pay for a year, do you expect the cable company to keep providing programming for you if you don't renew?
It's nice to know how different companies offer different ways of paying. What is a service, a product or a license? Most people expect the app to continue working with the old maps when your "subscription" ends.
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Old 03-18-2013, 01:49 PM
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Bjørnar,

I can understand the difference between "a service" and "a subscription". Yes, when I end my service agreement, the service goes away. But when I see the term "subscription", I think of news papers, magazines, charts etc. With those "subscriptions", when they end you are left with old data.

My point for this thread is to help educate our community on the difference between a chart update for your Aviation GPS and the mobile device services from Garmin and Foreflight.



And in case anyone thinks I am anti Foreflight and Garmin Pilot. I was a Foreflight subscriber for two years and will give Garmin Pilot a try for the up coming year.

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Old 03-18-2013, 01:52 PM
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Foreflight dosn't hide how it works... So, choose what you want.

...and you can use one FF subscription on 2 iPads, an iPhone, and an iPod -- but not all at once. (WingX I think you can use all at once, if it's on the same Apple account -- ie. you don't have the FF single sign-on restriction.)

Anyway, from their FAQ: http://foreflight.com/support/subscription

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Can I still use the app after my subscription expires?
No, you must have a valid subscription to continue using the app.
So I'm not sure why we needed a progressive demo with screenshots? I think that's why the tone of the thread seemed anti-Foreflight, etc.

Personally, I like both FF and WingX, and I'd prefer them both make enough money to stay solvent.
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Old 03-18-2013, 11:33 PM
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My point for this thread is to help educate our community on the difference between a chart update for your Aviation GPS and the mobile device services from Garmin and Foreflight.
I understand that, and it is nice to know how different companies offer different methods of payments, because it is not always obvious how that is done looking only at advertisings and demos. It is nice to know what products are real aviation products and what products are toys. An aviation GPS consists of three different items: The hardware, a license to use/update the software on the hardware, and a subscription for updated maps. The latter is really only a subscription based license to install and use up to date maps.

If the product is only the software and maps, then they can chose to offer subscription based licenses on both, or they can chose other terms of payment for the licenses. Still, what most people think is fair, and also expect is a subscription based license only on up to date maps.

What people don't expect is their maps to simply stop working during a flight for any reason except a fault of some kind. If the product by design is made to stop working during flight due to "acute" license disagreement, then this product is clearly only a toy and not fit for aviation.
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Old 03-19-2013, 10:59 AM
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What people don't expect is their maps to simply stop working during a flight for any reason except a fault of some kind. If the product by design is made to stop working during flight due to "acute" license disagreement, then this product is clearly only a toy and not fit for aviation.
I'm not sure what the other apps do when they expire, but ForeFlight gives a 7 day grace period at expiration. If you fall past the 1 year, it will pop-up a warning stating your subscription has expired, but will continue to function for 1 week to give you time to complete your trip. I would imagine, 7 days is enough time for most people to renew or buy some paper charts.
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Old 03-19-2013, 11:13 AM
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I use Foreflight (think it's great!) but carry expired paper charts as backups. WACs. Figure they'll get me in the ballpark.
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Old 03-19-2013, 08:58 PM
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What kind of data consumption is there if using fore flight on an iPhone? I'm looking at getting into the 21st century and trade in my dumb phone. Just wondering what kind of data plan I may need.

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Old 03-19-2013, 09:00 PM
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What kind of data consumption is there if using fore flight on an iPhone? I'm looking at getting into the 21st century and trade in my dumb phone. Just wondering what kind of data plan I may need.

Mark
You don't need any data plan. Everything can be downloaded on WiFi.
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Old 03-20-2013, 04:22 AM
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Foreflight, Garmin Pilot (and most others) support downloading all the chart data ahead of time and is at your control. As noted, you can do this when you are on WiFi.

You can also flight plan while on WiFi as well - fetching current weather, filing, checking TFR's.

However, odds are you will want to update you plans and fetch current weather when you are about to launch or while you away from WiFi (while at a fuel stop, finishing up that $100 pulled pork sandwich, etc). You might also want to check VAF or post a food shot :-)

I have a significant data plan but hardly ever use more than 150-200 MB each month. If you are new to having a smart phone, odds are you will not use much at all - just have a geeky friend help you setup the phone so it does not "live" on your data plan all the time.
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