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03-11-2013, 08:48 AM
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Join Date: Feb 2011
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Hi Dan - I think vfrmap.com has a different purpose from mobile flight planning and inflight navigation solutions such as Foreflight and Garmin Pilot.
It is definitely good to have choices since not everyone needs all the features of some mobile applications..
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03-11-2013, 09:22 AM
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Join Date: Jul 2008
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Originally Posted by humptybump
I should have been more specific. Both Foreflight and Garmin Pilot will work with expired charts. They will not work with expired accounts (aka you are no longer paying the vendor).
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OK, but you paid $1500+ for the Garmin GPS, and $0 for the Foreflight app. You can use FF and the other iPad apps for many years (with their annual subscription) before their cost exceeds that of the Garmin. It's not like the iPad apps are suddenly going to quit working on a Dark and Stormy Night.
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03-11-2013, 09:29 AM
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Join Date: Feb 2011
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Originally Posted by Buggsy2
OK, but you paid $1500+ for the Garmin GPS, and $0 for the Foreflight app.
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Hi Ralph - you are correct. But don't forget the cost of the iPad. (also the resale vale of the aviation GPS's are pretty good).
My point is to inform users that the two apps I mentioned not only expire but also prevent further use of the data.
The good news is that with all of the options, individuals have choices. It's helpful to have as much information as possible to make informed choices.
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03-11-2013, 02:25 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Greenback, TN
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Quote:
Originally Posted by humptybump
I should have been more specific. Both Foreflight and Garmin Pilot will work with expired charts. They will not work with expired accounts (aka you are no longer paying the vendor).
When your subscription has expired, Garmin app will only launch to the subscription page and you can't go further. Foreflight gives you a one week grace period with a dialog box ...
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At KOSH two years ago, I asked this exact question to both the Foreflight rep and Hilton at WingX. I said what happens if I'm on a cross country and my subscription expires. Foreflight said tough luck your only renting the charts. Hilton said it would be no different than when my paper charts expired, they still exist in my plane. I went with WingX because I liked his attitude much better. By the way, I'm thrilled with the product.
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03-11-2013, 05:40 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: USA
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Marvin - thanks for adding to this thread. I've not used WingX so I appreciate you providing the associated information!
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03-11-2013, 06:04 PM
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Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Stockton, CA
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Quote:
Originally Posted by humptybump
I should have been more specific. Both Foreflight and Garmin Pilot will work with expired charts. They will not work with expired accounts (aka you are no longer paying the vendor).
When your subscription has expired, Garmin app will only launch to the subscription page and you can't go further. Foreflight gives you a one week grace period with a dialog box ...
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So in reality, you're renting the app, not the charts. The app is subscription based, and as long as your subscription is paid, you can use the app. If you don't pay the annual subscription for the app, you can't use the app including anything you got with the app.
Seems pretty fair and simple to me.
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03-11-2013, 06:12 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Round Rock, TX
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My next move is WingX, lots of great feedback from friends using it. 
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03-11-2013, 06:27 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Victoria, BC, Canada
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AirNavPro is also a one-time-buy for the program. I haven't purchased any US charts myself yet, but I understand from a fellow pilot who is running AirNavPro on his Google Nexus 7 tablet that the charts are not forcibly expired at the end of their cycle... You can still use them.
Personally, as there are no Canadian VFR charts available, i've been using the Open Streetmap data as a basemap (free), with Canadian airspace overlaid on top (also free). I'm using this on both my Google Nexus 4 smartphone, and my iPad3.
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03-11-2013, 06:29 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Port St Lucie, FL
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Both my charts and subscription have expired on my WingX, and the old charts are still there. Update - I checked the Aeronav approach plates, and they are gone. The sectionals are still there, however.
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03-12-2013, 09:24 AM
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Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: NJ
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SkyChartsPro....a 1 time $20 purchase that I have been updating for the past 2 years. I can continue to run on expired charts or update to the newest chart when it becomes available. The charts/approach plates/AFD are all cached onto my iPad so they remain there until I delete or update them. There has never been another fee associated although it was designed to be renewed annually for $20.
SkyChartsPro doesn't have all the bells and whistles of say FF but it provides more than you need for VFR flight. It's a no-brainer if you ask me.
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