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03-06-2013, 08:06 PM
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?One has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws.?
― Martin Luther King, Jr
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03-06-2013, 08:15 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2011
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I agree with the above quote. But I also agree with the FAA that those who hold themselves out to the public for transportation should be held to higher standards, e.g., part 135, so this is a somewhat gray area.
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03-06-2013, 08:59 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2006
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Originally Posted by DDUCH
Just think before posting that roll, hammerhead or loop..no parachute...just saying.
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There is no FAR requiring the use of a chute when performing aerobatics while solo....
Last edited by Brantel : 03-06-2013 at 09:11 PM.
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03-06-2013, 09:14 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Lake Havasu City AZ
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FAA Violations
Many,many years ago an FAA employee was cited for low flying. He brought his son, lets say age 8 at the time, to the hearing. Mr FAA had a convincing story and the violation was dismissed. A friendly chat followed:
FSDO inspector to young man-do you fly with your dad
Young man-yes
FSDO-what do you like about flying
Young man- mostly I like standing up on the seat while my dad does loops.
FSDO inspector to pilot #####I knew you were guilty you ###
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03-06-2013, 09:18 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Victoria, BC, Canada
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Brantel
There is no FAR requiring the use of a chute when performing aerobatics while solo....
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Nor any requirement for parachutes in Canada, solo or otherwise.
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03-06-2013, 09:27 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2008
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Chutes
The Brits for years didn't believe in chutes. The late Neal Williams broke the lower spar fitting on a Zlin, rolled the airplane inverted and got the wing more or less back in place. Flew the pattern inverted and at a very low altitude snap rolled the airplane upright and crashed on the runway, no injuries.
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03-06-2013, 10:14 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jrs14855
The Brits for years didn't believe in chutes. The late Neal Williams broke the lower spar fitting on a Zlin, rolled the airplane inverted and got the wing more or less back in place. Flew the pattern inverted and at a very low altitude snap rolled the airplane upright and crashed on the runway, no injuries.
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Uh....
Really?
I mean...oh, yeah...well naturally. I think thats pretty much the textbook thing to do. I practice such things all the time. Admittedly not in an RV yet. Jim, I need to borrow your bird...K?
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03-06-2013, 11:57 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: 57AZ - NW Tucson area
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jrs14855
The Brits for years didn't believe in chutes. The late Neal Williams broke the lower spar fitting on a Zlin, rolled the airplane inverted and got the wing more or less back in place. Flew the pattern inverted and at a very low altitude snap rolled the airplane upright and crashed on the runway, no injuries.
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Not true for the Brits in gliders...
I learnt at Lasham in the late 60's and a chute was required for every flight that expected (i.e. any lift present or possible) to get above auto tow launch height - about 700 ft AGL.
It was a well enforced club rule common to many BGA glider clubs. Club rules were also enforced for private owners in their own gliders.
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03-07-2013, 12:00 AM
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Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Spokane, Wa (KSFF) & the 'stan'
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Burden of Proof
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Originally Posted by DDUCH
I have a friend who buzzed some people on a lake, got on youtube, FAA got on him. Just think before posting that roll, hammerhead or loop..no parachute...just saying.
I'm also FAA Safety Counselor.
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Just like lateral cloud clearance limits for vfr, I believe it is very difficult to determine just exactly how far you are from another vessel. At this point, isn't the burden of proof on the FAA to determine that you were inside of such restriction? I'd be curious to exactly how this litigation came about. Be careful about calling someone out without citing the specific FAR.
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03-07-2013, 12:15 AM
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Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Hamilton, New Zealand
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jrs14855
The Brits for years didn't believe in chutes. The late Neal Williams broke the lower spar fitting on a Zlin, rolled the airplane inverted and got the wing more or less back in place. Flew the pattern inverted and at a very low altitude snap rolled the airplane upright and crashed on the runway, no injuries.
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Interesting read...
http://www.aerobatics.org.uk/repeats...ng_failure.htm
http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchi...0-%201021.html
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