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Old 02-01-2013, 10:14 PM
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After you read the 800 page MOPS for a certified GPS you'll know why we might not do it
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Old 02-02-2013, 01:17 PM
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It sort of depends on when you want to upgrade and what you want to do with the panel. Of course the easiest path if you have a Skyview is simply to plug in one of their remote SV/Trig transponders. However, if you want to fill up the hole in the panel, you can get a very similar panel mount Trig Transponder for not too much more money and it'll also play nice with other equipment as well as meeting the same ES requirements. A full upgrade to a 330ES is the most expensive option for you but would also fill the hole.

In regards to certified GPSes and such, there is starting to be a bunch of misinformation spread "around the internet" about such things. Some experimental mfgr's are listing their GPS as an "IFR GPS" (and also telling customers that it's IFR) leading them to believe it's a certified solution, when it's in fact not the case at all - this is not just misleading, it's dangerous. Also, plugging in a certified GPS remote box into something else and simply claiming the entire solution is "IFR CERTIFIED" does not make it so. If that were the case, the entire solution would have a TSO sticker on it or a heap of paperwork showing it meets the specs for both TSO 145 and 146. Anyway, I'd encourage folks to look past marketing rhetoric when it comes to "certified GPS boxes"...it is NOT a trivial thing to make one of these devices as Dynon points out. Impossible it is not, but simply claiming something does not make it so (as you see in some marketing literature).

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Old 02-11-2013, 01:08 AM
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I had my 330 transponder upgraded to the 330ES a couple weeks ago and finally got it connected back up. I had to lay on my back under the panel for a couple hours to wire a new serial port connection between the 430W to the 330ES. Access to the back of the radio stack is a big disadvantage of a -9A with slider canopy. I wired and configured per recommendations of G3Xpert.

When I first powered up the panel the transponder indicated NOADSB on the screen. Once the 430W GPS locked in and provided a valid GPS location, that indication when away. Even on the ground traffic immediately started popping up. I have the GDL-39 connected to the 696 and also an iPad Mini to display traffic.

Today was an okay day to fly here, but not the ideal day when you would expect a lot of traffic. But even so, I've never seen so much traffic on the screen as previous without ADS-B out. The TIS-B indication on the display screen no longer had an 'X' over it so it appeared to be working as it should. It appeared to pick up all the traffic I spotted with exception of a few. In those cases the traffic was low and probably in a shadow of radar coverage behind a hill. And there was an ultra-light that probably didn't have a transponder it didn?t pick up. I was very impressed and it's amazing how much easier it is to pick out the traffic when you know exactly where it's located and at what altitude. I was picking up traffic in the pattern and on short final at several airports I passed. When I was on downwind to land I could see incoming traffic on the extended runway centerline that I figured was on a localizer approach. Sure enough he called in several miles out and we were head to head on final. But safe distance since he was only doing a low approach on the opposite runway. It was good to have the advance notice though.

I just happened to have a 430W and 330 in my panel so the upgrade to ADS-B out was much less expensive than it may be for others. If you have a GDL-39 or other ADS-B receiver and can figure out a way to get ADS-B out I would highly recommend it. The complete display of traffic sure made it worthwhile upgrade for me. If you don?t want to upgrade yet, then talk your best flying buddy into upgrading. Then you?re all set if you always fly next to him.
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Old 02-11-2013, 05:43 AM
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Hello Mark,

Thank you for your pirep.

Like you, I have noticed that this equipment is invaluable when it comes to locating traffic inbound to land at the same airport.

Even though the traffic typically disappears from the screen before landing, seeing traffic inbound and even in the pattern is common.

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Old 02-11-2013, 05:49 AM
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Good pirep.

Can't wait!

I would assume that how close the field is to the radar station, the ground stations and terrain in the area will cause the performance to vary low and in the pattern.
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Old 02-11-2013, 06:43 AM
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Default 2020 'mandate'... yea right...

Don't get all wrapped up around a 2020 'mandate'... likely it will get extended, then modified, then extended as vendors and reality meet up with the calendar.

The high level of early adoption is driven by a sensible implementation on the issue of a GPS source... the whole 'mandate' issue will likely be relaxed significantly by simply extending the current GPS position source implementation.
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Old 02-11-2013, 07:17 AM
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Don't get all wrapped up around a 2020 'mandate'... likely it will get extended, then modified, then extended as vendors and reality meet up with the calendar.
People will be in denial years after the mandate goes into effect.

I could care less about the mandate. What I am enjoying is the free FIS-B and TIS-B products available to us now.

I don't share your vision of the future around ADS-B. This rollout has been unlike many others and one can tell the FAA is serious about this one. A large percentage of the airliners/commuter planes are already participating. Vendors are already on board. Tons of products are already emerging. Many are already running second gen software. The FAA has already went thru a modification to the program and its requirements. The FAR's have already been published and activated.

This is going to happen...might as well get used to it now during this very generous rollout phase.

The reality is that we little guys don't mean squat in the grand scheme of things and it would be a stretch to think they will put things on hold because the lower end of GA drug their feet complying with the mandate.
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Old 02-11-2013, 07:27 AM
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Stephen,
A few months ago I would have disagreed with you although I have seen the FAA delay such things time and again. The way the FAA has rolled out ground stations is quite remarkable. ERAM is also nearing completion across the country. It seems as though the FAA was pushing hard to keep up with and take advantage current technology. It's very refreshing to say the least.

Lately, however, I am thinking you may be right. With the slowly recovering economy, budget cuts or non-existent budgets, and finally with the harrowing threat of sequestration.....I fear all this progress will be halted. In fact, it seems like the FAA will be unable to provide the same services we now take for granted. Hopefully our government will come to an agreement and we can avert such disasters.
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Old 02-11-2013, 07:35 AM
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Stephen,
A few months ago I would have disagreed with you although I have seen the FAA delay such things time and again. The way the FAA has rolled out ground stations is quite remarkable. ERAM is also nearing completion across the country. It seems as though the FAA was pushing hard to keep up with and take advantage current technology. It's very refreshing to say the least.

Lately, however, I am thinking you may be right. With the slowly recovering economy, budget cuts or non-existent budgets, and finally with the harrowing threat of sequestration.....I fear all this progress will be halted. In fact, it seems like the FAA will be unable to provide the same services we now take for granted. Hopefully our government will come to an agreement and we can avert such disasters.
I have found that the more I ignore the garbage the majority (Not all of em) of the media tries to cram down my throat, the better the situation starts to look.....
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