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Old 12-31-2012, 08:43 AM
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Default Moisture Effects

On a trip not long ago I took some screenshots showing the the TAS speed change while flying through high moisture air (clouds) and dry air (clear).

The first one is after about 30min of flight level in smooth IMC conditions.



This one is about 20 min latter after flying in clear air and drying the airframe off.



There are some subtle differences in, DA, MAP, CHT, EGT, FF, etc. but from the time the first shot was taken and the second shot there was no change in the power, prop or mixture settings.

Note the True Air Speed difference.
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Old 12-31-2012, 08:48 AM
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Very interesting, thanks for sharing that.
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Old 12-31-2012, 12:41 PM
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Default seems that the clouds act like brakes

Your indicated airspeed is reduced in the clouds. It seems that the clouds act like brakes however I don't recall this happening in a Cessna at 110 kts. OK, I'll bite, why is this?
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Old 01-01-2013, 07:26 AM
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Default True airspeed

The true airspeed calculation requires an OAT input, which I don't see in your screenshot. TAS will vary with OAT.
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Old 01-01-2013, 07:39 AM
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OAT is displayed in the lower right hand corner.

I noticed several suttle changes in several data points besides the OAT, wind direction and velocity, altitude, fuel burn rate, etc. are these changes the result of atmosphic changes or something induced by performance or pilot changes?
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Old 01-01-2013, 08:29 AM
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IAS and TAS increased 8.5%. GS increased 11.5%. You flew straight and level in a slight downdraft and entered calm air or slight updraft and a tailwind. With the same power setting you will go faster. Rain will also slow you down.
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Old 01-01-2013, 08:31 AM
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Look at the pitch bars.

I think it's just a case of rising or falling air mass.
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Old 01-01-2013, 08:44 AM
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I guess I'm missing something, but it looks to me like the nose is below the horizon in the second picture. Doesn't take much of a "dive" to increase airspeed.
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Old 01-01-2013, 09:04 AM
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The nose is pointing down more however there is no indication of negative vertical speed? As speed increases the nose lowers, is this the case here? Not sure at these speeds if there would be a huge pitch change though.
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Old 01-01-2013, 09:28 AM
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Unrelated to this topic but man all that stuff on the left makes my head hurt. You'd think that some of the EFIS manufacturers could use UI-design inspired by an iPhone.
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