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Old 12-05-2012, 09:52 PM
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I don't agree, I'm somewhat ticked off, and can't respond politely. I'll therefor remain quiet.

Other than that, I think it's a worthwhile product.......and you don't survive by giving away product at cost. Why even suggest it?

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I agree, arm chair engineers need to prove their point and leave the vendor alone or just keep off the thread. Allan IS a PAID VAF vendor and if I'm not mistaken abuse against a vendor is terms for Being Banning from the Forums for good... Would I be right Doug Reeves? Help Your Vendor Out Please. Allan designs and fabricates awesome products.
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Old 12-05-2012, 10:39 PM
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... with the finest equipment and staff covering all disciplines in the engineering and manufacturing areas. ...
And still no failure analysis?

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Tim,

Way to go on the 9 slotted brace! The insurance will not hurt a thing.
Unless it creates another problem...
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Old 12-05-2012, 10:41 PM
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And still no failure analysis?


Unless it creates another problem...
Another Arm Chair... when does it stop?
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There are an awful lot of *actual* engineers on this forum, me included...and I tend to concur with the view expressed of "what problem are you solving?". When this issue was first identified and photos posted, there was quite a discussion, along with proposed fixes, possible causes, etc. However, I don't recall that anyone ever identified a root cause.

Additionally, the question of any fix causing some other potential problem is *not* "armchair engineering". It's called residual risk, and it's always considered when a mitigation for any risk (or a fix for some problem) is identified and implemented. That's an essential part of engineering.

I think the question of failure analysis is a very fair one. We could go around "beefing up" just about every joint, weldment, rivet line, bolted assembly or what have you until the cows come home based on a myriad of isolated failures (and waste time, money and weight) with no identified probably cause (or caused by incorrect assembly or poor workmanship, etc., but NOT the designed structure).
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Old 12-05-2012, 11:11 PM
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Another Arm Chair... when does it stop?
After everyone buys the ....
Wing attach support bracket
Horiz attach support bracket
Flap attach support bracket
The main gear skid

Hurry get on the list now....

The original issue could likely be fixed with a large area washer.
And that doesn't cost $54
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Old 12-05-2012, 11:13 PM
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There are an awful lot of *actual* engineers on this forum, me included...and I tend to concur with the view expressed of "what problem are you solving?". When this issue was first identified and photos posted, there was quite a discussion, along with proposed fixes, possible causes, etc. However, I don't recall that anyone ever identified a root cause.

Additionally, the question of any fix causing some other potential problem is *not* "armchair engineering". It's called residual risk, and it's always considered when a mitigation for any risk (or a fix for some problem) is identified and implemented. That's an essential part of engineering.

I think the question of failure analysis is a very fair one. We could go around "beefing up" just about every joint, weldment, rivet line, bolted assembly or what have you until the cows come home based on a myriad of isolated failures (and waste time, money and weight) with no identified probably cause (or caused by incorrect assembly or poor workmanship, etc., but NOT the designed structure).
Yeah... the last "engineer" I had dealings with in construction screwed everything up... went back to a common sense mode after that, everything went well with the project. YMMV....
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Old 12-05-2012, 11:15 PM
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After everyone buys the ....
Wing attach support bracket
Horiz attach support bracket
Flap attach support racket
The main gear skid

Hurry get on the list now....

The original problem could likely be fixed with a large area washer.
And that doesn't cost $54
You don't need to buy ANYTHING... and I'm sure it would be appreciated.
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Old 12-06-2012, 07:36 AM
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Let's all cool down a bit. I am not "abusing" Allan or his company. As I stated before, he makes a lot of interesting and good products. I think he has explained his position on this, something that had not been done before.

So, no sense in calling people names. Politely agree to disagree and move on.
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Old 12-06-2012, 07:38 AM
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I don't agree, I'm somewhat ticked off, and can't respond politely. I'll therefor remain quiet.

Other than that, I think it's a worthwhile product.......and you don't survive by giving away product at cost. Why even suggest it?

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Van's does it. If they thought it was a concern, they would do it again. Sorry I made you angry.
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Old 12-06-2012, 09:08 AM
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There are an awful lot of *actual* engineers on this forum, me included...and I tend to concur with the view expressed of "what problem are you solving?". When this issue was first identified and photos posted, there was quite a discussion, along with proposed fixes, possible causes, etc. However, I don't recall that anyone ever identified a root cause.

Additionally, the question of any fix causing some other potential problem is *not* "armchair engineering". It's called residual risk, and it's always considered when a mitigation for any risk (or a fix for some problem) is identified and implemented. That's an essential part of engineering.

I think the question of failure analysis is a very fair one. We could go around "beefing up" just about every joint, weldment, rivet line, bolted assembly or what have you until the cows come home based on a myriad of isolated failures (and waste time, money and weight) with no identified probably cause (or caused by incorrect assembly or poor workmanship, etc., but NOT the designed structure).
+1 for this view, I concur.
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