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Old 11-28-2012, 01:48 PM
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Default The registration marks (which we commonly refer to as ?N numbers?).

Please enjoy reading the Info in the link below

http://www.eaa.org/experimenter/arti...0-02_tales.asp
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Old 11-28-2012, 03:25 PM
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Default 3" Numbers

John as little as you will be flying to Canada it would be far easier to take blue or green masking tape or even electric tape with you and just before you cross the border apply your temporary 12' numbers. As soon as you clear customs wad it up and throw it away. You will have more options on your paint job if you have 3" numbers. Happy flying John. I will give you a call if I head up your way. Steve
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Old 11-28-2012, 03:35 PM
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3" is what is required.

IF you go very far north in Canada or into an ADIZ in the US, then you need 12" numbers.

Several of us few through Canada in our RV's with 3" N numbers to Alaska. We did not go in any ADIZ or areas in Canada that required the 12" numbers.
What Gary said (he/I have flown into Canada [2-ship] a couple of times)

I also found some applicable website links:

STANDARDISED VALIDATION OF A SPECIAL AIRWORTHINESS CERTIFICATE - EXPERIMENTAL (See Item #3: Carry this document in your plane)

The AOPA/COPA Guide to Cross Border Operations (US/Canada)

When you have the need to cross the ADIZ you'll need 12" N numbers. Electrical tape makes a good 'Bamboo' Font though the last time we passed through Ft. Pierce, Customs told us that the Bamboo font would no longer 'fly' with them...





Or you can spend some $$$ and look as cool as Condor



Good luck with the paint! Rosie
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Old 11-28-2012, 06:46 PM
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When you have the need to cross the ADIZ you'll need 12" N numbers. Electrical tape makes a good 'Bamboo' Font though the last time we passed through Ft. Pierce, Customs told us that the Bamboo font would no longer 'fly' with them...
So what can they do if you land with electrical tape numbers? Make you fly back to Nassau??? Sheesh. The intent is for interceptor jets to be able to get your aircraft ID. They can do that just as easy with electrical tape numbers as with professionally painted numbers than conform to the strict requirements for font and spacing.
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Old 11-29-2012, 06:48 AM
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the best tape solution is 3 inch blue painters tape. easy to apply and easy to remove. would seem to be legal in size. seems vman grabbed my last partial roll last year. not what the need was but he can be a bit sneaky.

came up with this email from Caribbean Flying Adventures


406 ELT Required by The Bahamas February 1, 2013
and by Mexico by June 1, 2013

Caribbean Flying Adventures (CFA) successfully collaborated with Civil Aviation authorities in the Dominican Republic and The Caymans Islands to obtain a waiver from the 406 ELT requirement. The Dominican Republic waiver is indefinite. The Cayman Islands waiver is valid through December 1, 2013 but will almost certainly be extended. CFA will work to insure that this happens.

Unfortunately, the waiver for an installed 406 ELT for the Bahamas will expire February 1, 2013 and for Mexico June 1, 2013. In order to be legal, pilots who want to fly to the Bahamas or Mexico will must install a 406 ELT.

CFA researched this issue and found that the U.S. Coast Guard continues to utilize the 121.5 frequency in their search and rescue operations. Thus, mandating the installation of the 406 ELT makes little sense for island flying. Additionally, ICAO experts have concluded than an installed ELT is useless once the aircraft sinks after the passengers have safely exited the aircraft. A hand held personal locator beacon then becomes the optimal search and rescue tool.

The bottom line is that pilots do not need to spend thousands of dollars installing a 406 ELT in order to fly to the Dominican Republic, The Cayman Islands or Puerto Rico. But begining Feb 1, 2013, they do need to spend the money in order to fly to the Bahamas.
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Old 11-29-2012, 08:04 AM
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the best tape solution is 3 inch blue painters tape. easy to apply and easy to remove. would seem to be legal in size. seems vman grabbed my last partial roll last year. not what the need was but he can be a bit sneaky.
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Err.... letter stroke = 1/6 of height.

12 inch numbers would use 2 inch tape, not 3 inch.....
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Old 11-29-2012, 10:39 AM
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I am about to have my plane painted and with that the N number. I want the options to be able to fly into Canadian airspace. I understand the US requirements and that the Canadian requirements are different. Looking for advice on size. I want to keep the number as small as possible but still not raise any issues when in Canadian airspace. Suggestions?

John
John,

The Canadian regs on registration marking size only apply to Canadian registered aircraft. Foreign aircraft must meet the requirements of their state of registry - i.e., you are OK in Canada as long as your markings meet the FAA requirements.
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Old 11-29-2012, 06:04 PM
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Foreign aircraft must meet the requirements of their state of registry - i.e., you are OK in Canada as long as your markings meet the FAA requirements.
Furthermore, is there an ADIZ anywhere between the US and Canada? If not, the 12" requirement for ADIZ penetration doesn't apply either.
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Old 11-29-2012, 06:10 PM
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When you have the need to cross the ADIZ you'll need 12" N numbers. Electrical tape makes a good 'Bamboo' Font though the last time we passed through Ft. Pierce, Customs told us that the Bamboo font would no longer 'fly' with them...
Rosie, I got that same attitude from a public servant at FPR coming back from the Bahamas. Fortunately, I have been greeted by friendly, dedicated non-power trip Customs folks in Key West and El Paso.

If you want to go international with a great group of folks who will help you get through the "requirements" go with a Rosie/Jim Baker trip.

I do not know where and when the next trip will occur, but look for it.

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Old 11-29-2012, 07:15 PM
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Furthermore, is there an ADIZ anywhere between the US and Canada? If not, the 12" requirement for ADIZ penetration doesn't apply either.
The only ADIZ between the US and Canada is in the Gulf of Maine, over the Atlantic Ocean between New England and Nova Scotia. If you do the smart thing, and avoid extended overwater flight, you won't penetrate any ADIZ when flying between the two countries.
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