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Old 11-19-2012, 04:34 AM
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Default Wonderfully built.

I was blown away by the excellent quality of our QB wings and fuselage when we picked them up from another builder. Cessna and Piper would be soooo proud to have rivetting workmanship like Van's.

While I, as an American, really appreciate your thoughts of supporting us here in the US, the Philipino's building these airplanes have an enormous amount of pride in their product and you'll definitely get your money's worth.

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Old 11-19-2012, 05:29 AM
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Default Smiled workers

Many of the QB workers were trained and worked for the US government at the now closed USAF Clark Air Base in the Philippines. The quality control of every QB I have seen has been excellent. Far better than what a new builder might accomplish until his/her skills were developed. Just saying.
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Old 11-19-2012, 06:28 AM
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There are plenty of American builders assistance companies out there. I've seen a fuselage built in Colorado Springs to quick build stage and the work is amazing. My understanding is the cost was the same as quick build from Vans. If keeping the money onshore is your goal, and applaud you for it, your goal can be accomplished.
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Old 11-19-2012, 07:07 AM
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I would be keen to get in touch with those guys. Please post their details if you have them.

It would be interesting to see if it is actually dearer ? VANS would not be on selling it to us at the low hourly Filipino rate. The company in the phillipines would make a handsome margin on their workers and then VANS would put his markup ontop of that... plus there's the exta freight cost to factor in. ( I explore these options in my business all the time and at a glance it always looks cheaper but when you factor in all the variables incl possible effups it often ends up about the same ) Wouldn't there be some sort of employment incentive government scheme as well in the US to support manufacturer / assembly plants like this ?
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Old 11-19-2012, 09:43 AM
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I wasn't smart enough to quickbuild. I estimate that it took me, a first-time builder an extra 2 years to catch up to quickbuilders. I did epoxy prime every interior skin which is a benefit.

The first time i saw a quickbuild wing, i looked right at the most difficult rivets i had to do. These were the inboard rear spar to top skin rivets. They were perfect on the quickbuilds. I was impressed!

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Old 11-19-2012, 11:36 AM
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I am a first time builder of a slow build RV-8. I have a friend that ordered a quick build RV-8, and when I saw it, and looked through out the fuselage and wings, regarding quality of workmanship, and primer, etc. I did keep this to myself, but was very glad that I did not order a quick build.....Just saying.
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Old 11-19-2012, 11:58 AM
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Default My two cents

I have a -10 QB from the 'old' factory. I would say:
Riveting quality is generally very good, a lot better than mine.
There were some assembly mistakes, e.g. I had to de-rivet a few parts because they forgot to dimple/countersink some holes, which now were inaccessable. And they did dimple some holes that should have been left to later.
Wash primer was a big disappointment. I found some light corrosion when I opened up some of the side panels.

I think the QB is a reasonable value, especially for the wings where the work is very repetitive. If I were doing it again, I would not prime everything in the interior (which I did first time) and I would go with the QB again; unless I lived near salt water or other corrosive environment, in which case I would prime and I would go slow build to get a decent primer on all the parts. (don't mean to start primer wars, but I do think that's the do it/do not do it issue).

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Old 11-19-2012, 01:11 PM
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Default Slow build

I had the most fun building the components that are already done on the quickbuilds. I also think it is the easiest sections of the build. Now if the quickbuilds came with only the cabin top and doors done I would be more interested I built mine in 25 months averaging 30 hours a week. I also really liked wiring......I need another project.
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Old 11-19-2012, 01:27 PM
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If you are ever in Wellington, and want to look at a 2010 QB-8 under construction to check out the Filipino workmanship, you're more than welcome. There are a few issues with the QB's, most of which you will read on this forum.. But most of them aren't big problems.. And the time saving is huge with a QB!
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Old 11-19-2012, 06:41 PM
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I'll echo a lot of what's already been said, the build quality on our QB wings and fuselage was top notch. Rivet work was fantastic.

The big thing is going through the plans/build instructions to see where they left off, what they did, and where you need to pick up.
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